Re: Bahai jihad?

[Rich Ater]

Ahang,     In Iran, yes. Iran was a very small part of the Islamic world. I'm not saying that there was ever a time in which the Jizya was paid nowhere in the Islamic world, only that In certain times and places, it was suspended. Rich Ahang Rabbani wrote: Dear Rich, The payment of jizya continued until the time of Baha'u'llah. I don't have time now to get into the story of how this insidious tax was lifted by Nasiri'd-Din Shah through the guidance of Baha'u'llah and the leg-work of Manikji Sahib, but you might find some pieces of the info in Balyuzi's "Baha'u'llah the King of Glory." There is more to the role of Baha'u'llah than it's in that book though. Thanks, Ahang. --- Rich Ater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In Gilberto's defense, I believe that Umar actually deferred the paying of the jizya in many instances. Rich Gilberto Simpson wrote: On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:34:27 -0800 (PST), Ahang Rabbani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You ought to be kidding! "Jizya" was a tax imposed on minority religions as a way to harass and contain them, and to ensure they were kept economically dirt poor! I have lived in many parts of the world with Muslim majority and in all those places the tyranny of Muslims towards the minority groups was most evident. Gilberto: >From what I've read, the amount of jizya varied alot in Islamic history. At some points it was large, at some points it was small and nominal. The best explanation I've heard for it is that it literally was protection-money in the sense that non-Muslims would be exempt >from jihad but they still benefitted from protection by the state so they gave money to compensate for it. When non-Muslims participated in jihad they would often be exempted from the jizya. I would certainly admit that it has the potential to be abused (virtually all rules do) but jizya actually is ordained in the Quran, so if you really think it is necessarily a form of harrassment and tyranny then you should take it up with the author. Peace Gilberto __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu