On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:56:36 -0800, Patti Goebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gilberto: > > > I don't believe that the Nicean creed is necessarily authentic > > > Christianity. The real Christians were probably all eaten by lions or > > > never left the catecombs. There are some Jewish Christian (like > > > Ebionites) groups with docetic tendancies which from a Muslim > > > perspective seem a likelier candidate for representing the true > > > followers of Jesus. > > > Dear Gilberto,
Mark? > > > I think the above is a good example of perennialist triumphalism. The > > > perenialist decides what the original religion was or wasn't, despite > what > > > that religion may say about itself. Gilberto: > > That's EXACTLY, and I mean EXACTLY, what the Bahais do to Muslims. > > Despite what Muslims may say, Bahais tell Muslims what "Seal of the > > Prophets" means, what the Apocalypse means, who the Mahdi is, how the > > second coming of Christ is supposed to happen. etc. Patti: I agree with you in one sense, but I am not certain you see it the same way > I do. You say that Baha'is tell Muslims how to interpret scripture. This > is true in the same sense that Christians gave new interpretations of Jewish > prophecies; however, I disagree with the concept of "triumphalism" in that > it implies superiority. Gilberto: I agree that interpreting another religion's scriptures differently than they usually do does not, by itself constitute triumphalism. In terms of the original discussion, I don't believe that perennialism is necessarily or even frequently "triumphalist". And however much I might disagree with Bahai interpretations of Islamic texts, the fact that Bahais disagree with what Muslims usually say, does not by itself imply triumphaslism either. To me, a Baha'i understanding would simply be > observational--fitting the pieces together--and done in a spirit of humility > and submission to God's great plan. I think it depends on how you see other religions fitting into the plan. Seing them as expired, spent, no longer valid, no longer reflective of God's will etc. are what I would consider triumphalist. Peace Gilberto "pharoah is just a leaf on a burning bush" __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
