On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:51:04 -0800, Richard H. Gravelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can anyone give an explanation as to why Yusuf Ali has translated whatever > Arabic words Sale and Rodwell translated as "unjust violence" as "trespasses > against truth and reason".
I'm not sure. I guess I would chalk it up to the idea that the Quran can't "really" be translated. Every attempt is approximate and there are shades of meaning which are missed by some translations but gotten by other translators. And vice versa. Sale and Rodwell use "iniquity, and unjust violence" while the Muslim translators render the phrase as : [every kind of] sinning, and unjustified envy vice and sedition without any right to do so sins and trespasses against truth or reason sin and wrongful oppression sin and rebellion without justice sins (of all kinds), unrighteous oppression Peace Gilberto Here are the contexts: Muhammad Asad renders the verse: (33) Say: "Verily, my Sustainer has forbidden only shameful deeds, be they open or secret, and [every kind of] sinning, and unjustified envy, and the ascribing of divinity to aught beside Him - since He has never bestowed any warrant therefor from on highand the attributing unto God of aught of which you have no knowledge." TB Irving gives: * SAY: "My Lord has only forbidden shocking deeds whether they are flagrant or kept hidden; and vice and sedition without any right to do so; and that you should associate anything with God for which He has not sent down any authority; and that you should say something you do not know concerning God. 007.033 YUSUFALI: Say: the things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to Allah, for which He hath given no authority; and saying things about Allah of which ye have no knowledge. PICKTHAL: Say: My Lord forbiddeth only indecencies, such of them as are apparent and such as are within, and sin and wrongful oppression, and that ye associate with Allah that for which no warrant hath been revealed, and that ye tell concerning Allah that which ye know not. SHAKIR: Say: My Lord has only prohibited indecencies, those of them that are apparent as well as those that are concealed, and sin and rebellion without justice, and that you associate with Allah that for which He has not sent down any authority, and that you say against Allah what you do not know. Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali, Ph.D. Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan 33. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "(But) the things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are AlFawâhish (great evil sins, every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, sins (of all kinds), unrighteous oppression, joining partners (in worship) with Allâh for which He has given no authority, and saying things about Allâh of which you have no knowledge." > > 33. Say: The things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, > whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; > assigning of partners to Allah, for which he hath given no authority; and > saying things about Allah of which ye have no knowledge. (The Qur'an (Yusuf > Ali tr), Surah 7) > > 33. Say, verily my Lord hath firbidden filthy actions, both that which is > discovered thereof, and that which is concealed, and also iniquity, and > unjust violence; and hath forbidden you to associated with God that > concerning which he hath sent you down no authority, or to speak of God that > whch ye know not. Sale trans. Sura 7 > > 33.Say: Truly my Lord hath forbidden filthy actions whether open or > secret, and iniquity, and unjust violence, and to associate with God that > for > which He hath sent down no warranty, and to speak of God that ye know not. > (The Qur'an (Rodwell tr), Sura 7 - Al Araf) > -- "pharaoh is just a leaf on a burning bush" __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, use subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
