The Baha'i Studies Listserv >They aren't covenant breakers in that: What, specifically, is their relation to the Universal House of Justice? Do they accept its authority without reservation? Are they submissive and obedient to it? What is this so-called "International Institution of the Guardianship" shown in the copyright statement on their home page? This website smells bad, and there's no way I'm going into it past the first page.
Putting up a website and advocating reforms sounds a lot like mounting a campaign within the Baha'i community, which Baha'is are not supposed to do. It's fine to suggest something to the House of Justice, but in my view it's not acceptable to have a website setting forth proposed reforms. That is equivalent to trying to organize the Baha'i community to put pressure on the Universal House of Justice to make decisions these so-called reformers want. That's not how things should be done. Tim All good art is about something deeper than it admits. --Roger Ebert ________________________________ From: Stephen Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> To: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 3:38:34 PM Subject: Re: Universal House of Guardianship The Baha'i Studies Listserv They're more like Baha'i reformers. They aren't covenant breakers in that: They believe Baha'u'llah was the successor of the Bab and not Subh-i-Azal. They believe Abdu'l-Baha was the succesor of Baha'u'llah and not Mirza Muhammad Ali. They believe the Will & Testament of Abdu'l-Baha to be authoritative and valid ie unlike Mirza Ahmad Sohrab, Ruth White, Frederick Glaysher, etc. They believe Shoghi Effendi had no succesor to the Gaurdianship, ie Charles Mason Remey was rightfully expelled as a false claimant. They believe that Baha'u'llah will be succeeded by a future Manifestation of God, but not for atleast 1000 years - 500000 years have passed ie unlike Jamshid Mani and John Carre. Sounds like regular Baha'i just with a list of reforms they want taken up. ________________________________ From: Shamim Bina <shamimb...@gmail.com> To: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 2:21:15 PM Subject: Re: Universal House of Guardianship The Baha'i Studies ListservWhat is this site all about? Is this a Covenant-breaker site? Sincerely, Shamim On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Stephen Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv > >It's a Five Elders http://www.fiveelders.org/ idea that the Universal House of >Justice (9 males) needs a Universal Senate of Justice (9 females) to balance >it >out. Is this possible? > > > >__________________________________________________ You are subscribed to >Baha'i >Studies as: mailto:shamimb...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to >mailto:leave-522758-19442...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st >in >the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: >http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i >Studies >is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - >http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - >news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - >http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - >http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu -- "Dedicate the precious days of your lives to the betterment of the world". ~ Bahá’u’lláh __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:skg_z...@yahoo.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-522766-17190...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:tnola...@yahoo.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-522771-329...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-522785-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
