Who knows—they were different boats although the cb design was pretty similar! Further there are competing influences in play—dropping board adds to wetted surface, mast height, etc. plus if the cb trunk and board were mostly copied and added to a smaller, lighter, shorter water line boat like mine it may have a more noticeable effect. All that being said, at any wind speed my 36 XL/kcb goes to weather noticeably higher with the board down.So much so, I still marvel at the difference at the helm when the board is lowered and look forward to driving her higher to weather. Charlie
Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Thursday, July 15, 2021, 9:20 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Charlie, Interesting. I’m not all that familiar with the 36XL, but it appears to be a design merger of the 1989-1990 34/36 series and the older 36’s. Perhaps Rob Ball can shed some light. We raced this boat heavily and saw no difference in pointing in the 10-knot and under range, which was typical for Western LI Sound. In very heavy air (25+), we did see a slight difference, but even when the board was sealed in, the 37+ was still going through the chop better than the other boats who had to head off due to conditions. I initially sealed the board in to keep costs and headaches down, but was pleasantly surprised at how well the boat performed once the deed was done — in some cases better than when it wasn’t. All the best, Edd Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseC&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BVenice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL On Jul 14, 2021, at 10:53 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Hey Edd--I love the boat you are selling--unfortunately when I bought my 36 XL/kcb a new 37/40 kcb was out of my financial reach!! Mine is a slightly smaller version of the 37/40 and has a very similar centerboard arrangement. Since I do mostly club racing in the relatively thin NC sounds/rivers, I would never consider glassing in the board(maybe if I stopped racing) although I know of others with C&Cs who have done this for the reasons you mention. I also agree that since both boats have a massive cb trunk (mine is about 4700 lbs), it sails pretty well with the board (~925 lbs) up or even glassed in. OTOH, when I put my board down from 4.5 ft to 7.25 ft, she straightens right up and sails to weather at least 5 degrees closer to the wind--and if I and the crew are on our game, we are very seldom beaten to the weather mark in most breezes above 8 knots by any boat in our size/PHRF handicap range. Downwind, kite or not, we grind the board up (not easy or quick) and with decent spinnaker work or just flying a genoa with a whisker pole, again we are seldom passed (although we don't gain much either!). As you know, the cb trunk is both massive in length, weight and width so it adds significant wetted surface compared to a skinny (and deep) fin keel. I agree that there is some drag/turbulence from the cb slot but both our boards have an elliptical shape so that no matter how far the board is extended, it fully 'fills' the slot--as opposed to many cb boats with more or less rectangular boards that do not fill the slot with the board as the cb is dropped. Since I haul her yearly for new bottom paint, and have the cb pennant replaced at ~5 year intervals, my added expense with the board is minimal. However, the yard must always do the board painting while it is hanging in travel lift--they have an aversion to having the board fully down, and the boat very high on jack stands! And most yards do not like to dig a hole so that the board can be extended either! Good luck with your next boat! Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb -----Original Message----- From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2021 4:07 pm Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 37/40+ For Sale -- Massive Price Drop Joel, We sealed the board in and glassed the bottom, so she’s the world’s only shoal-draft model. 4.9 feet of draft and we saw no change in performance. In fact, without the slot and drag, the boat actually sailed faster in anything under 10 knots of breeze and the same up to the 15-knot range. And, no headache of thousands of dollars of maintenance every several years (board maintenance requires a haul-out and time in the travel lift.) See: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3b_NHX1Rm0g/WZtCEYGgAUI/AAAAAAABmVY/iTwxeuxOcC0c6h5lOQN3Yyr-fbDcGD_rwCLcBGAs/s1600/centerboard.jpg If you really want to restore the board, any competent yard could do it. But, seriously, she sails better with it sealed in. All the best, Edd Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseC&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BVenice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:55 PM, Joel Delamirande via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: What kind of keel do u have nowAnd why take off the swings keel On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:43 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Edd Stop it, you're killing the market! Tom B ¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤. Tom & Lynn Buscaglia SV Alera C&C 37+/40 Vashon Island WA (206) 463-9200 www.sv-alera.com At 11:47 AM 7/14/2021, you wrote: Listers, With my sights set on the next Enterprise and new adventures on the finalfrontier, I have dropped the price of my 1990 C&C 37/40+. Lots of great features, including new air conditioning, a Doyle StackPack, autopilot, Raymarine e95 chartplotter and a 2015 Beta 30 enginewith just under 500 hours. If you know anyone looking to get into a great boat that’s built forcruising and/or racing, priced now at $59,000, please have them contactme. Here is a link to the listing:https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/c-c-37-40--3829704/ All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Captain of the Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to helpwith the costs involved. 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