> No, they really aren't. You can download
> and install stuff from outside the
> approved store on commercial android handsets
Hello, is it true that Google can uninstall an app not approved by themselves
(that is, an app not included in the 'Android Market')? I understand the app
would be uninstalled when the user visits a Google shop or accesses a Google
service?
Regards,
Juan Lucas
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De: community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org en nombre de Gothnet
Enviado el: jue 21/05/2009 15:53
Para: community@lists.openmoko.org
Asunto: Re: [OT] Is Android really free? (was Re: root almighty)
Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote:
>
>
>> in fact there is a lot of closed linux devices out there ,
for example
>> routers,motorola phones, ebook reader... and those doesn't
mean Linux
>> is closed,
>
> It only means that if they don't publish the code, and that's
usual,
> they are violating the GPL. http://gpl-violations.org/
>
>
Not necessarily. They don't have to provide any mechanism to
re-flash the
device, then the linux based device is just as closed, even
when they
publish the source. GPL does not protect against this (v3
might, not sure).
Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote:
>
>
> The problem with Android is not the license of the OS, but the
> "ecosystem" around it. Closed hardware, DRMd content
(applications,
> music), the restrictions imposed on the OS by cell
companies... it's a
> nightmare, and the freedom of the user doesn't even appear in
the
> horizon.
>
It's BSD style FOSS. Anyone can do what they like with it. The
fact that
others can close their versions doesn't detract from that. If
you want to
argue that it loses flexibility as a platfor, when you're using
a self- or
community-compiled version, then sure.
Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote:
>
> I have strong feelings against Android, for the restrictions
around it
> are very similar to those of the iPhone, though Apple doesn't
try to
> disguise themselves as "open source paladins".
>
No, they really aren't. You can download and install stuff from
outside the
approved store on commercial android handsets
and on free/open ones ones (Android on FR) you have full
control, including
the full source under APL2.
You just try getting the source from Apple and running it
somewhere else.
Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote:
>
> Android, as a platform (not an OS, not a device) is worst
than closed,
> for it lures developers with the false concept of an open
environment.
>
Yes, just like the entire BSD operating system! It's a trap!
*facepalm*
Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote:
>
> Yes, people could fork and create gAndroid but where would
they run
> it? It's a wolf with a lamb skin,
>
Why fork when you can port? There are several places doing just
that and
re-submitting upstream when they have good results. It's being
ported to
some nokia devices, netbooks, FR etc.
And why is it a wolf in lambs skin? I mean, what the hell are
you talking
about at this point? Where would they run what?
Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote:
>
> And my last rant. Why did they create yet another isolated
platform?
> For f*cks sake! It's not even standard java! At least
Objective-C
> builds on top of C! Couldn't they create a set of libraries?
Or use if
> they wanted portability use Python? Argh!
>
> My 2 cents
>
Java is the most popular language on the planet right now, more
people know
it than know pretty much anything else going. Attracting
developers is
essential to the success of the platform. Why *not* use java?
I use python myself, and I like it, but I don't see why
choosing java was
wrong.
Frankly, I think you're nuts. A big corp puts a lot of work in
and releases
a whole new userspace environment targeted at MIDs, phones etc,
under one of
the least restrictive licenses out there, and you're calling it
worse than
closed source!
You're weird!
You instinctively decide to hate it due to some features you
don't like
(which are aimed at supporting proprietary apps, and you're
free to disable
in your version, or just not use those apps). There's nothing
stopping
people from releasing android apps as FOSS. personally I really
like the
idea of paying for apps from an app store if I choose to, or
using/writing
free ones if I don't.
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