-Caveat Lector- A lot of the people claiming that the plane falling on Pentagon didn't exist, probably fall into the same caste of US Government disinformation agents. Promoting braindead conspiracies and discrediting people, taking us farther away from truth.
There is one thing commong with all the disinformation agents; The ideas they promote sound ludicrous and braindead to normal people, yet they are promoted vigorously and with "all horns blowing the same tune", thus eliminating totally some line of inquiry or denying "the group they associate themselves with" the legal access they would otherwise have had. See the list histories as to who they are. Facts always speak for themselves. On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, John P wrote: > It is an old axiom that: > When you throw a rock into a pen full of pigs, > the one that squeals is the one that you hit. > > It is interesting to note that even THIS VERY MESSAGE ALSO conforms completely to >the tactics of FBI COINTELPRO, as described previously: > > Look for the key words: > "promote strife between groups" > "disseminating ... ...derogatory information" > > in the article below. > > Visit: > http://occs.cs.oberlin.edu/~pjaques/etext/ifanagentknocks.html > > Take note of the following paragraph: > > "The FBI COINTELPRO program was initiated in 1956. Its purpose, as > described later by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, was "to expose, disrupt, > misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize activities" of those > individuals and organizations whose ideas or goals he opposed. Tactics > included: falsely labeling individuals as informants; infiltrating groups > with persons instructed to disrupt the group; sending anonymous or forged > letters designed to promote strife between groups; initiating politically > motivated IRS investigations; carrying out burglaries of offices and > unlawful wiretaps; and disseminating to other government agencies and to > the media unlawfully obtained derogatory information on individuals and > groups." > > If you understand the meaning of the tactic > "infiltrating groups with persons instructed to disrupt the group; > sending anonymous or forged letters designed to promote strife between groups" > OR OF: > "disseminating to other government agencies and to > the media unlawfully obtained derogatory information on individuals and > groups." > THEN you will know that a campaign of personal attacks > on the real patriots is a part of the FBI COINTELPRO program. > > Larry, > It is now clear, that your superiors will not allow you to deviate from the >above guidelines, EVEN TO PROTECT YOUR OWN BUTT, WHEN YOUR COVER IS ABOUT TO BE BLOWN. > The best thing that you can do now is to request special permission to behave >like a legitimate patriot, for a short time, and HOPE that this blows over. Then you >could go back to attacking patriots, and promoting hoaxes later. > On the other hand, If the FEDS have not ALREADY brought out one of their >"sleeper agents", to come to your aid, I would say that they may have decided that >you are expendable. > > HASTA LA VISTA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Lawson > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 6:41 PM > Subject: A Case History Study in Disinformation > > > Perna, people on these lists KNOW Chemtrails, Tacamarks and other topics we've >reported on to be REAL. > > So it is YOU that they'd view as a dis-informer here. > > And again, I highly recomend you to pin Perna down here on Biblical Scripture if >such a thing is important to you. > > Character is DEFINED by these standards, NOT MAN'S LAWS that Perna respects! > > Again, you're not fooling anybody Perna. I've spent hours each DAY researching >information to pass on and > made clear RETRACTIONS when we've found something to be false. > > YOU, post a few safe re-hashed messages then this line of phony SPEW! > > You are an abomination to God and to me and others. > > I have approximately 2 YEARS worth of posts and documented information piled up at >LLNews. > > You? HA! A few safe posts and THIS CRAP! > > Go play with your buddies in your purple palace PAL!!! > > Because Shannon didn't take long to discern your nature you think you have any >weight to slam her also? > > YECH! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John P > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 4:55 PM > Subject: A Case History Study in Disinformation > > > It is interesting to note that even THIS VERY MESSAGE conforms completely to the >tactics of FBI COINTELPRO, as described previously: > > Look for the key words: > "promote strife between groups" > "disseminating ... ...derogatory information" > > in the article below. > > Visit: > http://occs.cs.oberlin.edu/~pjaques/etext/ifanagentknocks.html > > Take note of the following paragraph: > > "The FBI COINTELPRO program was initiated in 1956. Its purpose, as > described later by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, was "to expose, disrupt, > misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize activities" of those > individuals and organizations whose ideas or goals he opposed. Tactics > included: falsely labeling individuals as informants; infiltrating groups > with persons instructed to disrupt the group; sending anonymous or forged > letters designed to promote strife between groups; initiating politically > motivated IRS investigations; carrying out burglaries of offices and > unlawful wiretaps; and disseminating to other government agencies and to > the media unlawfully obtained derogatory information on individuals and > groups." > > If you understand the meaning of the tactic > "infiltrating groups with persons instructed to disrupt the group; > sending anonymous or forged letters designed to promote strife between groups" > OR OF: > "disseminating to other government agencies and to > the media unlawfully obtained derogatory information on individuals and > groups." > THEN you will know that a campaign of personal attacks > on the real patriots is a part of the FBI COINTELPRO program. > > Larry, > It is now clear, that your superiors will not allow you to deviate from the >above guidelines, EVEN TO PROTECT YOUR OWN BUTT, WHEN YOUR COVER IS ABOUT TO BE BLOWN. > The best that you can do now is to request special permission to behave like >a legitimate patriot, for a short time, until this blows over. > On the other hand, If they have not ALREADY brought out one of their >"sleeper agents", to come to your aid, I would say that they may have decided that >you are expendable. > > HASTA LA VISTA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Lawson > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 10:17 AM > Subject: A Case History Study in Disinformation > > > Well, let's use Perna's point here. > > I've spent my money and MUCH of my time, 6-8 hours per DAY getting news out to >y'all. > > Perna sends a couple 'safe' posts then mixes in DIS-INFORMATION and if you pin >this WORM > down is anit-Bible in character and nature. > > We know what you are Perna. The people here won't buy your B.S.! > > Maybe your sodomite friends will. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John P > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 5:21 AM > Subject: A Case History Study in Disinformation > > PROMOTION OF STRIFE AMONG PATRIOTS IS A TACTIC OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER. >PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THE BAIT. STAY FOCUSED ON OPPOSING TYRANNY. > > It is VERY simple. > > Those who spend their time, money, and energy fighting tyranny are patriots. > Those who spend their time, money, and energy fighting patriots are >advancing tyranny > > It takes more time, money and effort to BUILD a ship than it takes to SINK a >ship. > > There are pullers at the oars. > There are passengers in the boat. > AND there are conspirators, who want to steer the boat, > while others row. > > There is a presence, on the Internet, > of persons who attempt to distract patriots away from defending liberty, > > by seducing them into all sorts of silly programs; > > which would ultimately, waste resources, > > make them appear to be foolish, > > and cause them to lose credibility.. > > This includes the neutralization of patriotic efforts, > by distracting patriots into personal squabbles. > This includes the conversion of patriotism into hatred of minorities. > This includes claims that the vapor trails; that jets always leave, are a >plot to poison us. > This includes claims that the stickers, placed on the back of road signs by >the manufacturer's, are some sort of trail blazing for a future enemy army. > This even includes a propaganda blitz to BAN WATER, by using its scary >sounding chemical name: Dihydrogen Monoxide > > At the first glance we might be tempted to assume that it is merely madness, > that there are those among us who are telling people that the clouds, > and the street signs, are out to get us, > or that we should ban water (which is also know as Dihydrogen Monoxide) > > To paraphrase Skakespeare > "Me thinks there is a method in their madness". > > One of these disinformers lives in a shipping container, in the woods of >south west Indiana. He heats his shipping container with firewood. Who DO YOU THINK >pays for his computer upkeep, accessories, or Internet Service Provider fees? > > If you will study the tactics used by the FBI COINTELPRO program. > THEN you will recognize FBI COINTELPRO immediately. > > Visit: > > http://occs.cs.oberlin.edu/~pjaques/etext/ifanagentknocks.html > > Take note of the following paragraph: > > "The FBI COINTELPRO program was initiated in 1956. Its purpose, as > described later by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, was "to expose, disrupt, > misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize activities" of those > individuals and organizations whose ideas or goals he opposed. Tactics > included: falsely labeling individuals as informants; infiltrating groups > with persons instructed to disrupt the group; sending anonymous or forged > letters designed to promote strife between groups; initiating politically > motivated IRS investigations; carrying out burglaries of offices and > unlawful wiretaps; and disseminating to other government agencies and to > the media unlawfully obtained derogatory information on individuals and > groups." > > If you understand the meaning of the tactic > "to expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize >activities" > you will understand that the person who is most likely of being a Fed, > is the one who involves patriots in activities that have no effect on the >New World Order, > or which will destroy the credibility of the patriots. > > The New World Order would love to convince people that we are all a bunch of > paranoid nuts, so that we will we unable to warn people about The New World >Order. > > The New World Order would be more capable of convincing people that we are > paranoid nuts, if they could convince a segment of the patriots to run >around telling people that the clouds, and the street signs, are out to get us, or >that we should ban water. > > If you understand the meaning of the tactic > "infiltrating groups with persons instructed to disrupt the group; > sending anonymous or forged letters designed to promote strife between >groups" > OR OF: > "disseminating to other government agencies and to > the media unlawfully obtained derogatory information on individuals and > groups." > THEN you will know that a campaign of personal attacks > on the real patriots is a part of the FBI COINTELPRO program. > > Conversion of patriotism into hatred of minorities is a common tactic. > > The reason that I debate with hard core hate mongers, > is not because I am under any illusion that logic will have any effect on >THEM. > Most of them are dedicated agents of deception, with an undisclosed agenda. > I hope to stop them from poisoning the minds of patriotic God fearing people. > > This is a vital PART of the fight to preserve liberty. > The enemies of America > seek to divide America against herself. > > You will not find reason in a trained KGB agent, or a COINTELPRO Operative. . > They will ALWAYS preach the party line, > no matter what evidence we present. > It is NOT to them that I speak. > It is to those whom he hopes to deceive. > > Quo Bono? (who benefits? ) > When patriotism is perverted into hatred of minorities, who benefits? > > Hard core hate mongers will not heed these words > > They make their conclusion FIRST. Then they look for evidence to support > that conclusion. It is not surprising that they always come back to the same > conclusion. > > The question that I have is this: > > Is there a METHOD in their madness? The effect of their efforts is to > neutralize patriotic enthusiasm by turning it into hatred of other victims > of tyranny. What do the "would be" tyrants think of that? The > conspirators who would destroy liberty actually "kill two birds with one > stone" by fueling such disinformation. > > 1. The OBVIOUS effect is to dispense with the opposition to tyranny, by >diverting the efforts of the patriots toward a "decoy". If the disinformation is >successful, the person who would have ordinarily been opposing real criminal >conspirators, now makes himself busy, trying to destroy the life of some other >innocent citizen. > > 2. Perhaps an even more important function is the creation of class >struggle. When a nation goes to war against ITSELF anyone can take it over. One >expert on this sort of attack, Mao Tse Dung, summed it up quite well: "The stronghold >is broken easily from the INSIDE" > > Divide and conquer is a VERY OLD trick. > > "If your enemy is stronger divide him." -Sun Tzu > > For details about this strategy, read the Communist Manifesto > > My only question is: which ones are the dupes, and which one's are the > conscious dedicated AGENTS? > > Making personal attacks, in the place of confronting issues, is a common >tactic. > Those who argue truth are able to use facts. > > Those who argue lies must resort to insults. > > I take no discomfort; whatsoever, from the continuous barrage of insults that > > are standard behavior among people, who are filled with hatred. > > Any observer will quickly notice that I do not resort to such conduct, > > even when I am subjected to it. The person who descends to the level > > of child like name calling reveals more about their own character, than >about the > > person, whom they attempt to insult. By classifying themselves at this level >they define > > their own degree of credibility. Even though I am very careful not to make >personal attacks, it appears as though there are those, > > who willingly display their truly vulgar inner selves quite shamelessly. > > I cannot feel offense; in that, I am actually not the injured party. > > I feel sorrow for those who publicly degrade themselves by displaying a >bestial nature. At the same time, I appreciate their assistance in helping me to make >the truth clear. > > Evil and falsehood are much more quickly recognized, when they are not >disguised. Those persons; who repeatedly resorts to name calling discredit themselves >before every logical and intelligent person. > > This is act of desperation, that is meant to be face saving. > In reality, it is an admission of a defeat in the philosophical exchange. > > No matter what is or is not true about the messenger, it would be >completely irrelevant. > > It is abominable to be reduced COMPLETELY to nothing more than attacking the >messenger. > > Every person; who understands logic, knows that attacking the messenger is a >last ditch desperate tactic; that is only resorted to by a person who is NOT logical, >AND ONLY when that person has already realized that there is no way TO USE LOGICAL, >FACTUAL INFORMATION TO AVOID BEING PROVEN WRONG. > > A person who repeatedly resorts to Ad Hominems is subjecting himself to FAR >GREATER embarrassment than it would have been to simply admit that he has lost the >debate. > > Those who have truth on their side can argue with facts. > > It is only those whose arguments are fictional, who resort to > name calling, and personal attacks > > Statements made about the messenger are irrelevant to the > validity of the message. > > Like any other pack of wolves, > when one of them is in trouble the others will come to his aid. > Then we know who the others are too. > > To avoid being exposed, disinformers will generally bring out a few "sleeper >agents", > to take their side. > This will probably occur, after the posting of this message. > > > > <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. 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