Russ Allbery wrote: > John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de> writes: > > > Yes, I do accept vocals against systemd, but only if these are actually > > valid arguments. Because I want software development to be driven on > > technical merits and not on sympathies against or for certain people > > neither the stance to reject any modern developments. > > Free software is a social activity. The past history of qmail should be > informative here (or, for that matter, both gcc and glibc, which had to go > through disruptive forks to sort out long-term issues). One of the > determiners of the long-term success of a free software project is the > social skills of the primary maintainers, regardless of their skill as > software designers.
Systemd does much better than its competitors as a social activity. Neither OpenRC nor Upstart (with its highly questionable form of contributor agreement) can match systemd. You shouldn't confuse the existence of a group of vocal naysayers as the lack of a thriving community. > I'm on the side of wanting to support a variety of different choices in > the archive so that people can experiment and evaluate and choose what > works best for them. I question the usefulness of this approach for init systems. Yes, developers do need a degree of familiarity to evaluate the merits of the systems. But personalized init systems don't make much sense; everyone deciding what works "best for *them*" is not a good approach. And when talking about a larger number of people and how well things work in their personal use in practice (as opposed to more in-depth technical evaluation), what matters is largely the amount of effort spent on polishing the most typical cases. Sysvinit has "worked well" for a significant number of people; but that's not because it wouldn't suck, but because a lot of effort has been used to paper over the problems. > But to the extent that we have to pick winners and > losers (and, to be clear, I think it's premature to do that for init > systems), I think there's already enough evidence to show that systemd is clearly the best choice. How much more would you expect to have before it would not be "premature" any more? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1354230001.1887.16.camel@glyph.nonexistent.invalid
