Hi Carlos and Marc, At Mon, 12 May 2014 04:21:10 +0200, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > > On 11/05/14 09:18, Marc Haber wrote: > > Something along the lines of systemd is technically needed and a good > > idea, but the people behind it do not come along nice. > > > > Completely agree.
While I also agree with that having read some responses of systemd developers developers that could have been nicer, I think it is ironic to call out the systemd developers for not being nice and then post statements like this: > """ > The systemd developers are responding to upstart and launchd and android > init as things they must _defeat_, an establish a new standard by > crushing all the competing implementations. This means developers who > want gradual staged transitions, and thus ask questions like "what if I > don't want to switch yet", or "how do I get the old behavior out of the > new thing", are enemies of systemd. Those questions are anathema to the > systemd plan for world domination, if you're not using their stuff > already you're the enemy, a relic of history to be buried. We can't opt > out and see how it goes, we must fight to stay where we are. The systemd > developers are basically taking the Microsoft approach to development: > they don't want you to have the option of NOT using their stuff. > """ http://www.landley.net/notes.html#23-04-2014 Or this: At Sun, 11 May 2014 15:55:48 +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > > On Sun, 11 May 2014 14:50:55 +0200, Florian Lohoff <f...@zz.de> wrote: > >There is no way to avoid the "userspace.exe" blob Debian is soon made of. > > To be fair, the major Linuxes will soon be made of that. Red Hat wants > it that way. Maybe you should think about how your fellow Debian developers who have no association with Red Hat but just think systemd is technically better and who are working hard to get systemd working right in Debian feel when reading such statements. And while we as Debian can't do much about upstream maintainers not being nice, we can at least try to set a good example by being nice ourself... Kind regards, Jeroen Dekkers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87oaz39qaj.wl%jer...@dekkers.ch
