I've been watching this thread for a while and decided to post my two cents.
For my use, Debian is two things; a kick butt server and the basis for other distro's that make pretty good workstations. I have tried Debian as a workstation before and just never gotten a warm fuzzy (though it has been a while). However, I'm also the one that will argue all day long about why Debian is the only server that should ever be used. As such, I want miminum "junk" installed on my servers. I know enough to know what apps I need for a particular job, and for some of that even the base install is too much. Adding a firewall that someone else chose is just one more thing to do to get my servers up and running. For workstations, I tend to use Kubuntu. On that, yes, I want a firewall, and since I recommend it to anyone who asks (and even have my sales staff using it), a default firewall is a Good Thing. But, for Debian, I just want the packages necessary to get the server up long enough so I can do an "apt-get install joe", then I can get to work. Rod -- R. W. "Rod" Rodolico Daily Data, Inc. POB 140465 Dallas TX 75214-0465 214.827.2170 This is a private e-mail address for use only by clients of Daily Data. Please do not forward or give out this e-mail address to anyone. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]