On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 05:32:46PM +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > And yes, when I mentioned "seeking wide deployment", I meant archive > wide support. Let me try to give an analogy to clarify what I mean. > Say, the GNU/kFooBar porters might have invested lots of effort into > their kernel, toolchain and kFooBar-specific utilities, which in > addition might be in excellent shape; but if the architecture only > has 10% packages built for that port, and they stop there, then it > cannot get exposure of its possible features, advantages or different > ways to do things, and people interested in particular packages might > not see the point in even giving it a try. Expecting the project at > large to do the other 90% of the porting seems unrelalistic, even if > the system has a very solid foundation, because at this point it might > not show much advantage to the current ones.
Sure. This isn't the init system debate, though. Each init system can 100% boot the system and expose features. You can try to say this is the other ports (HURD), but I don't think you're seriously asserting that HURD is 90% of Debian. > Instead I think the work > that many porters have done, by sending patches to port packages to > their systems, have in many cases triggered curiosity to the point of > people possibly experimenting with those ports, or at least seeing > value in supporting these even by themselves. There's probably many > other similar examples, like having excellent cross-building support > in the toolchain but having no actual cross-buildable package in the > archive, etc. I don't grok what this has to do with init systems. Are you saying they're broken? > In the upstart case, most of the work could have been reused from > Ubuntu, w/o interfering with the current init system default. I seem > to understand reluctance to push native upstart jobs into Debian was > partially out of respect towards the project. I just think that respect > was misplaced for something that was optional, and it actually backfired. You do know upstart can use standard init scripts, yeah? > Hope that clarifies. Alas, not for me. > Thanks, > Guillem Much love, Paul -- .''`. Paul Tagliamonte <paul...@debian.org> | Proud Debian Developer : :' : 4096R / 8F04 9AD8 2C92 066C 7352 D28A 7B58 5B30 807C 2A87 `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~paultag `- http://people.debian.org/~paultag/conduct-statement.txt
signature.asc
Description: Digital signature
