On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 12:18:35AM +0100, Mònica Ramírez Arceda wrote: > > Ok, if anybody is against I take this responsibility, I can do it, but > before, let me expose some thoughts & doubts: > > * I understand that GSoC projects are those that are technical and > non-GSoc projects are the non-technical ones. But what happens if a > woman wants to apply for a technical project and she is not a student? > She could apply for OPW but not for GSoC, but all technical projects are > in GSoC list... I think Debian should have women everywhere, not only in > the non-techie side. How could we fix this? > > * I don't completely understand how GSoC and OPW are combined. Do you > have more details about it? > > * 5000$ is a lot of money. If this kind of positive discrimination > works, I think it's worth to do it but I would like to know if you feel > most Debian contributors agree with this. Note: I have no idea about the > current Debian finances status. > > > If noone else volunteers for that, I will *consider* doing it myself, > > but I'd rather not --- mainly because the timeframe of this OPW round > > coincides with the DPL change of guard and I'd rather devote my Debian > > time to ensure a smooth transition than joining new activities. > > If noone else wants to join me, could I count on you if I feel lost in > the way? :-) >
Hi, First of all, Debian did quite decently in respect to having female students last year in GSo in GSoCC. We had 2 female students out of 15 projects. That's a female ratio of 2 digits, way more than the female partition in Debian :) I shared Monica's confusion when first reading this thread, I find the participation in the program was somehow rushed with zack's initial email leaving some things unclear. After re-reading today the thread and looking at the OPW information, this is how I see things: First of all, the program needs a separate coordinator and I'm happy to see Mònica volunteering for this. I will be happy to join her, but with her keeping the "main seat". Another important thing is Karen said OPW happens twice per year so if we don't do it now for whatever reason, we can do it for the next round and it is not a big deal. About the 2 main issues: *) overlap / relation with GSoC and kind of tasks To do OPW, we would need to add separate wiki pages in the Debian Wiki about our participation in the OPW, but sharing the task list with the GSoC. In the top of the GSoC task list we add the tasks might be available as OPW tasks too and encourage people who also are covered by the condictions of participation of the OPW but not GSoC's to contact the mentors and apply. For those tasks that can be only done under the OPW, we added them separately in the same wiki page saying that they are only availablel under the OPW program. Note, that those are not coding tasks, this doesn't mean not-technical tasks. And now the important part: once the deadline for students sending their proposals ends, the GSoC and OPW admins will see what's the best distribution of projects-students and when they're worth it. Sometimes a project have a few proposals but none of them is good enough and the project isn't assigned a student. In both cases, GSoC and OPW, if we don't see it clear, we shouldn't take the student. *) Money Google pays 5500 USD per project, where 5000 USD goes to the student and 500 USD to the mentoring organization. Before 2012, the 500 USD given to the mentoring organization were used for mostly for the mentors (or the students for debconf10) to help them to attend debconf or complete the reimbursement for the GSoC summit. Last year this money went to the Debian general funds. If Debian gets 10 GSoC projects this year, that provides ($500x10) the needed 5000 USD for this extra internship. Getting 10 GSoC projects is a real posibility since in 2012 we had 15 projects and in 2011, we had 10 projects. This should have everything covered? Ana -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-women-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130402104117.ga25...@pryan.ekaia.org