Hi On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 01:28 +0100, Patrick Scott wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for the feedback! Yes, I'd imagine the correct drawers would animate > and pop open if you suddenly moved the cursor from say normal text to a list > or table for example. Also, it's a good point that many users may still be > on 4:3 monitors. In anyone's opinion, would a sidebar such as the one in > this mockup be too large for those using a 4:3 monitor? It could be cut back > as a compromise.. > > Mockup Link (again, this is just a layout concept, it still needs > polishing): > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png> > LibreOfficeMockup.png<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png> > > Thanks again, > Patrick > > On 9 June 2011 07:59, Christopher Stark <christopherst...@gmx.de> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > it looks quite nice. > > > > Am 08.06.2011 18:22, schrieb Patrick Scott: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Today I put together a mockup for a possible Layout I think LibreOffice > > > could use. Since it's just a layout, it's quite rough, lacks polish and > > is > > > very simple [it's also my first ever mockup]. The design is inspired by > > the > > > concepts behind Ubuntu's unity. It's all about maximising vertical screen > > > space while using a sidebar to take advantage of the abundance of > > horizontal > > > screen space we have on the standard widescreen resolutions of today. > > > > > > Here is a summary of the proposed changes: > > > > > > -Unlike the MS Ribbon, the context menu has been left as is but should be > > > hidden as default on Windows and some Linux distros (should be recallable > > > using Alt key, through preferences, or right-click of toolbar) > > > > Good thing that it's hidden by default. > > I would suggest that the right functions appear automatically when the > > user clicks on a graphic, into a Table etc. > > If the right tools don't appear automatically, this drawers-toolbar > > would be a disadvantage in comparison the the solution which exists now > > in LO because one has to click on the right drawers in the left column > > all the time. > > > > > - On Operating Systems where the context menu is integrated into the top > > > panel (Mac OS and Ubuntu), the menu should remain present as is since > > there > > > is no additional screen real estate to be gained from hiding it > > > > > > -The bottom panel has also been removed but its vital components now > > exist > > > in the lower part of the new sidebar (I call it the info panel! Bare in > > mind > > > that it's just a concept so it looks pretty rough and needs cleaning up) > > > > > > -The remaining top panel should be reserved for vital 'File' operations > > and > > > other application level options such as access to help and a 'Tools' > > > dropdown (similar to the 'Wrench' icon in Google's Chromium/Chrome > > > browser). > > > > > > -The Drawers in the sidebar 'Toolbox' [which I borrowed from a screenshot > > of > > > LO Impress] should act as an alternative to Microsoft's ribbon. Features > > > from the context menu should be graphically represented here and > > categorized > > > along with the usual text editing/spreadsheet/presentation features found > > in > > > the original toolbars > > > Here is a link to the mockup: > > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png > > > > > > <http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png>I think > > that > > > with some polish and styling there would be quite a few benefits to this > > > approach. > > > > > > - It would modernise the overall look of libreoffice, differentiating us > > > from the dated OO and MS Office 1997 - 2003 look and feel. > > > - The 'drawers' are not a clone of the MS Ribbon but it is consistent > > with > > > it, leaving MS converts with an easier job adopting to LO (rather than > > > sending them back in time to the toolbar interface) > > > - Users will be able to see more of their documents. At 1440 x 900, the > > > sidebar takes up 240 px of abundant horizontal space while freeing up > > over > > > 100 px of precious vertical space. This is particularly beneficial in > > Writer > > > where documents can easily scroll more than 2 metres. > > > > Don't forget, that many - especially more professional - users still > > have 4:3 monitors and will keep this up in the future (I never > > understood this stupid wide screen hype) > > > > > - As you can see from the mockup, there is buckets of space left over in > > the > > > sidebar drawers which can be filled with anything that takes our imagine > > > such as extra large widgets, style shortcuts similar to MS Office etc (I > > > simply dumped the text formatting icons in here, since this is just a > > > layout)... > > > > > > Please everyone, let me know what your thoughts are! I know people have > > been > > > discussing docks and docklet's etc and I'm not disregarding those > > > suggestions. I'm simply proposing a layout to which features like those > > as > > > well as others like tabbed documents could be added. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Patrick > > > > > > On 8 June 2011 13:05, Phil Howard <imagin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Regards > > Christopher > > > > > > >> I can imagine a kind of mixture of toolbars/docks/ribbons now. A > > >> toolbar that is resized larger becomes a ribbon, which can be dragged > > >> over to a side to become a dock. One dock (the top one?) fills with > > >> frequently used icons, and the user can drag things onto that. > > >> > > >> I like Christian's idea of being able to open a drawer further for the > > >> complete set of actions - since these are the rarely used items, they > > >> need to be in consistent positions. That way the 'ajar' (shallow open) > > >> view can change and show frequently used items, but the fully open > > >> drawer is always consistent. > > >> > > >> I do think that a large part of improving UIs is getting rid of > > >> irrelevant things. If nothing is selected, you need to be able to > > >> switch input modes (bold/italics or draw line/shape) or views, or to > > >> insert new objects, but not to edit object properties (delete column). > > >> The converse is true if you have selected something. I think MS were > > >> driving at that with the Ribbon - apart from a different view of the > > >> menus, the Ribbon's difference from the past is showing > > >> context-dependent menus when objects are selected. > > >> > > >> One concept I'm very keen on which helps reduce UI glut is localising > > >> controls. Office 2007 introduced local context edit panels - if you > > >> right click on some text, as well as the context menu, a panel appears > > >> with B, U, I etc. Another instance of local controls is 37signals' > > >> tools where hovering over a list item reveals handles to drag-reorder, > > >> delete etc, which disappear when you mouseout. The GIMP and old Unix > > >> window managers had everything (inc File, Edit etc) on a right-click > > >> menu, even when the actions were not context-dependent, which was > > >> confusing. > > >> > > >> I guess I'm saying less is better. So limit what's visible to what's > > >> useable, and localise controls to the object. That leaves just > > >> context-independent tools and mode switches in a dock. > > >> > > >> I tried to mock up a toolbar/ribbon/menu but it turned into a bit of a > > >> nesting blob that wouldn't work on small screens. I might try again > > >> with less stuff... > > >> > > >> Phil H > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Phil Jackson <sapi...@clear.net.nz> > > wrote: > > >>> Hi Sonic > > >>> > > >>> That's fine! - so long as it is easy enough to view. Just let us know > > >> when > > >>> it is ready. > > >>> > > >>> cheers > > >>> > > >>> Phil Jackson > > >>> > > >>> On 6/8/2011 11:26 AM, Sonic Spuds wrote: > > >>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Phil Jackson<sapi...@clear.net.nz> > > >> wrote: > > >>>>> Hi Christian > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Can you do a mock-up of this and give us a link to see what this > > might > > >>>>> look > > >>>>> like? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I use something as simple as Paint and then use cut and paste to move > > >>>>> blocks around to get a final design. Quick and easy. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Cheers > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Phil Jackson > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 6/7/2011 10:07 AM, Christian Vielma wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Hi everyone. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> My name is Christian Vielma, i'm a Computer Engineer from Venezuela > > >> and > > >>>>>> i'm > > >>>>>> interested in improving LibreOffice. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I think Fernando's idea could be great, but i would like to see > > images > > >>>>>> of > > >>>>>> how could it be in order to understand better. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I had an idea of using things like "drawers". Those are similar to > > >> tabs > > >>>>>> of > > >>>>>> MS Office, but you could "open" as many drawers as you want and have > > >> all > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>> options in the windows or maintain opened only the drawers that you > > >> use > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>> most. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> That could be a good mix with the dock that Fernando commented, > > >> because > > >>>>>> you > > >>>>>> could have a dock with the options you use most and "open drawers" > > to > > >>>>>> look > > >>>>>> for functions that you would like to drag to the dock. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> LibreOffice already use things like my idea of drawers, for example > > in > > >>>>>> Impress when you have a side with the presentation design. But i > > would > > >>>>>> like > > >>>>>> to extend it to be drawers instead of menues. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Please let me know what you think. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thanks in advance. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Regards, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Scott Pledger< > > >> scottpledger2...@gmail.com > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> Hey Fernando, > > >>>>>>> Just so you know, the listserv removes images and attachments > > >>>>>>> automatically > > >>>>>>> so you'll have to include a link to the photo. From what I'm > > >>>>>>> reading/imagining, I think this might be a good idea, so let's not > > >>>>>>> forget > > >>>>>>> about it as we continue forward! > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -Scott > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 20:13, Fernando Andrade > > >>>>>>> <fernandofreamu...@gmail.com>wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>>>> my name is Fernando Andrade, and i have an idea for the graphical > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> interface > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> of Libre Office. > > >>>>>>>> It is a little bit based on Mac OS X and Ubuntu, minimalistic > > >>>>>>>> and functional but a lot different of the actual LO interface. > > >>>>>>>> Microsoft > > >>>>>>>> made a step in the right direction in 2007 when they introduced in > > >> the > > >>>>>>>> market the new interface, although many people didn't like it > > >> nowadays > > >>>>>>>> people cant use other interface, because the MS Office interface > > >>>>>>>> have eye-candy and is useful and productive. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Now it is time to LO do the changes that will make the difference, > > i > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> picked > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> the concept of a Dock, introduced by Steve Jobs on NextStep, and > > >>>>>>>> aplied > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> to the toolbars. Instead of ugly toolbars or the tabs thing of MS > > >>>>>>>> Office, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> a > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> dock would work nice. But how do i apply a fancy dock like docky > > on > > >>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>> toolbars, it just don't make sense. Well its just the dock > > concept, > > >>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>> thing i call docklet. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> It works like a dock in the way that we can drag and drop icons to > > >>>>>>>> add functionalities that we need, or drag and drop to remove the > > >> ones > > >>>>>>>> we > > >>>>>>>> don't need. when clicked a drop down menu appears with the info > > and > > >>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>> options that we have. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> As an example the character related info(Bolted, Italic, > > Underlined, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> font, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> size, color, highlight, etc..) in only a small and beutiful menu, > > >> with > > >>>>>>>> a beautiful icon. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> [image: rffff.bmp] > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> In the picture you can see what i mean, its just the concept of > > some > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> thing > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> new. > > >>>>>>>> the menu can be on a global menu like he ones on MacOS or Ubuntu, > > on > > >>>>>>>> windows > > >>>>>>>> it could show on top of the docklet. If you like this concept > > >> please > > >>>>>>>> replay > > >>>>>>>> to me, i have more idieas and you would need the full concept, > > this > > >> is > > >>>>>>> just > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> a raw draw made directly from my brain to the file via ms paint... > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Thank you for your time; > > >>>>>>>> Open regards; > > >>>>>>>> Fernando Andrade > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org > > >>>>>>>> Posting guidelines + more: > > >>>>>>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > >>>>>>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > > >>>>>>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and > > cannot > > >> be > > >>>>>>>> deleted > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org > > >>>>>>> Posting guidelines + more: > > >>>>>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > >>>>>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > > >>>>>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot > > >> be > > >>>>>>> deleted > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org > > >>>>> Posting guidelines + more: > > >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > >>>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > > >>>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot > > be > > >>>>> deleted > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Phil, > > >>>> The best way to handel a UI mockup is to work in Inkscape or another > > >> fully > > >>>> compliant SVG editor. This allows you or others to make quick tweaks > > or > > >>>> fixes to the design, and has the benefit of being basically the same > > way > > >>>> the > > >>>> the final UI will be built. > > >>>> > > >>>> -Sonic > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org > > >>> Posting guidelines + more: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > > >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > >>> deleted > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -- > > >> Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org > > >> Posting guidelines + more: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > > >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > >> deleted > > >> > > >> > > > > -- > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org > > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > deleted > >
I have a large 4x3 monitor and would prefer a side menu personally. The real question is how many still use smallish monitors about 12"/355mm versus a 17"/480mm or larger monitor. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
