Personally, my experiences with Matrix have been catastrophic so far. So much so that I'm convinced that Rocket.Chat, with all it's flaws and misbehaviors, is a better option on the long run.
The Riot application is hard to use. It took me days to figure out how to connect to a GNOME room. It doesn't allow me to log out of the servers. Fractal is nice, as I really like native clients, but Polari feels more polished. Matrix apparently doesn't allow turning off federation, and to me that's a no-go aspect of it. At last, I have a strong impression that Matrix suffers from feature bloat. Rocket.Chat has been apparently more responsive to out contact, and even accepted a few pull requests from us. I believe it has a brighter future, specially if a native GTK client shows up. Em qua., 12 de fev. de 2020 às 16:07, Zander Brown <zbr...@gnome.org> escreveu: > 🎉 > > I've used the matrix bridge for years now (I'm generally only on irc "for > real" > to fix things after the bridge does crazy things like de-op me or change my > nick without warning...) > > Matrix isn't perfect. matrix.org, the main "homeserver", regularly has > high > latency further exacerbated by the bridge. Hopefully hosting our own would > avoid that > > I know there are some (possibly even the majority of people on this list) > that > will never move away from IRC for one reason or another so it does seem > reasonable to allow IRC access to matrix (rather than the current > matrix-to- > IRC). I guess this would still have disappearing PMs but at least it has a > chance of getting status right giving you a fighting chance > > RocketChat is a really nice idea but so far only the web/mobile clients are > available which leave a lot to be desired whereas Fractal does the job for > matrix (personally I'm a riot-in-firefox person though) > > My concern would be the "federal" nature of matrix where people don't need > a > gnome.org specific chat account to join a room. Whilst there are a lot of > arguments for this I'm increasingly convinced it's an anti-feature > especially > if we want to enforce CoC (which, of course, we do) > > Zander > > > On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 12:30 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just got an email from a new-ish contributor: "I sent you some PMs > > about a week ago but I think you weren't online when I sent them so I'm > > assuming you didn't receive anything." Problem is the Matrix IRC bridge > > presents all IRC users as online, even when they're not. If an IRC user > > is offline, it lets you send private messages, but they get *silently > > dropped*. From Matrix, it appears as if the message was successfully > > delivered, but it was never actually sent to IRC. > > > > Basically our chat has broken down into a dystopian scenario where > > users message other users, thinking they've successfully sent messages > > that were never actually sent. We've been living with this for a couple > > years now and it's just not OK that we tolerate it. I have no way of > > knowing how many messages I've missed due to this issue, but I'm sure > > it's causing problems for newcomers who don't realize their messages > > aren't being delivered. > > > > WORKAROUND: Matrix users should ask "you there?" whenever starting a > > conversation, and assume your message was dropped unless you receive a > > response. If you get a response back, then a human is reading, at least > > initially. This applies to all stages of a conversation: if I sign off > > IRC partway through a conversation, the Matrix user has no way of > > knowing, so Matrix users must assume all messages sent to IRC after the > > last message received from IRC may be unread. > > > > Anyway, a workaround is not a solution. Can we please either: > > > > (a) Shut down the bridge to Matrix and force everyone to use IRC, > > which actually works properly; or > > (b) Replace our IRC with an actual Matrix server, so we get native > > Matrix. Matrix is very nice as long as you're not using the abysmal IRC > > bridge, which is unfit for purpose. > > > > Personally, I think native Matrix would be a *lot* nicer than IRC, if > > we have sysadmin time to get it set up, but I'm not going to be picky > > here. I'd just like us to be able to trust that we're not missing > > important messages. > > > > (Note I don't include rocketchat in the list of options because I don't > > consider it a serious option when compared to Matrix, which has become > > extremely popular and has a variety of client options: desktop Riot, > > mobile Riot, fractal, or whatever UI you prefer, sure to keep almost > > everyone happy. Or use the reverse IRC bridge, which I can only hope is > > not as awful as the bridge we're using now.) > > > > Michael > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > desktop-devel-list mailing list > > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list > _______________________________________________ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list >
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