Hey Sean B., Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I think putting them on the developer wiki would substantially decrease visibility in a way that is not beneficial to the project - this feature was specifically requested by developers from other projects that integrate with Spark.
If the concern underlying that policy is that snapshot builds could be misconstrued as formal releases, I think it would work to put a very clear disclaimer explaining the difference directly adjacent to the link. That's arguably more explicit than just moving the same text to a different page. The formal policy asks us not to include links "that encourage non-developers to download" the builds. Stating clearly that the audience for those links is developers, in my interpretation that would satisfy the letter and spirit of this policy. - Patrick On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Sean Owen <so...@cloudera.com> wrote: > From a developer perspective, I also find it surprising to hear that > nightly builds should be hidden from non-developer end users. In an > age of Github, what on earth is the problem with distributing the > content of master? However I do understand why this exists. > > To the extent the ASF provides any value, it is at least a legal > framework for defining what it means for you and I to give software to > a bunch of other people. Software artifacts released according to an > ASF process becomes something the ASF can take responsibility for as > an entity. Nightly builds are not. It might matter to the committers > if, say, somebody commits a serious data loss bug. You don't want to > be on the hook individually for putting that into end-user hands. > > More practically, I think this exists to prevent some projects from > lazily depending on unofficial nightly builds as pseudo-releases for > long periods of time. End users may come to perceive them as official > sanctioned releases when they aren't. That's not the case here of > course. > > I think nightlies aren't for end-users anyway, and I think developers > who care would know how to get nightlies anyway. There's little cost > to moving this info to the wiki, so I'd do it. > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Reynold Xin <r...@databricks.com> wrote: >> I don't get this rule. It is arbitrary, and does not seem like something >> that should be enforced at the foundation level. By this reasoning, are we >> not allowed to list "source code management" on the project public page as >> well? >> >> The download page clearly states the nightly builds are "bleeding-edge". >> >> Note that technically we did not violate any rules, since the ones we showed >> were not "nightly builds" by the foundation's definition: "Nightly Builds >> are simply built from the Subversion trunk, usually once a day.". Spark >> nightly artifacts were built from git, not svn trunk. :) (joking). >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Sean Busbey <bus...@cloudera.com> wrote: >>> >>> That would be great. >>> >>> A note on that page that it's meant for the use of folks working on the >>> project with a link to your "get involved" howto would be nice additional >>> context. >>> >>> -- >>> Sean >>> >>> On Jul 11, 2015 6:18 AM, "Sean Owen" <so...@cloudera.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I suggest we move this info to the developer wiki, to keep it out from >>>> the place all and users look for downloads. What do you think about >>>> that Sean B? >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Sean Busbey <bus...@cloudera.com> wrote: >>>> > Hi Folks! >>>> > >>>> > I noticed that Spark website's download page lists nightly builds and >>>> > instructions for accessing SNAPSHOT maven artifacts[1]. The ASF policy >>>> > on >>>> > releases expressly forbids this kind of publishing outside of the >>>> > dev@spark >>>> > community[2]. >>>> > >>>> > If you'd like to discuss having the policy updated (including expanding >>>> > the >>>> > definition of "in the development community"), please contribute to the >>>> > discussion on general@incubator[3] after removing the offending items. >>>> > >>>> > [1]: >>>> > http://spark.apache.org/downloads.html#nightly-packages-and-artifacts >>>> > [2]: http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what >>>> > [3]: http://s.apache.org/XFP >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Sean >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@spark.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@spark.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@spark.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@spark.apache.org
