I'm with Ted on this - Tiles really should be standalone and out on its own, lest Struts just be an umbrella project.
It is the odd man out next to Shale and Action, and would benefit from a wider audience. Either Tiles as a TLP, Jakarta
project or Jakarta Commons would fit to me. The lack of developer support is worrisome, though, regardless what we do
with it.
Don
Ted Husted wrote:
On 4/21/06, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Do we need to be discussing this now? I kinda feel like this should
wait until Tiles is ready to stand alone.
In another thread, Don pointed out that we need to be more forthcoming
with the project's roadmap. Right now, the Tiles roadmap is not clear
to me. I thought our intention was to propose it as a subproject, but
people have gradually come to speak of it as a Struts subproject.
If there is sufficient interest/support from developers, then i don't
see any problem with having Tiles be a top level project. But to be
honest, i don't think we have that at this, or if we do, then it is a
surprise to me. And i'll point the finger at myself on that one too.
The time i have available for open source work is very limited lately
and Velocity is my priority there. I'd like to jump in and help with
Tiles, but the time isn't there.
We need the same level of support for Tiles regardless of whether it
is TLP or a subproject. If Tiles has become a one-developer show, then
we have deeper problems that we need to fix now.
Right now, it is easier for me to envision Tiles staying on as a
Struts subproject. As for jumping over to Jakarta, that wouldn't
bother me, but i'm not sure i understand why. Just because it's not a
full framework on the level of Struts 1.x, Shale, and SAF 2? That's
not a reason that motivates me a lot.
Shale does for JSF what Action does for JSP, and I believe it make
sense to develop it here. Eventually, we may find a way to merge
Action and Shale back together again, but for now, no one has figured
out a way to do that. But, we may yet.
Standalone Tiles is not dependant on either Shale or Action. Tiles is
a component that they both *can* use, the same way they both use
BeanUtils. When we extracted all the other components, we gave them
lives of their own in the Commons. We should pay Tiles the same
courtesy.
-Ted.
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