On 4/24/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I look forward to feedback. Thanks for listening!
Without commenting on the merit of the proposal itself, or the reasoning presented as its justification, it is important to note that we (the Struts community) do not have free reign to do whatever we want in this regard. As part of Apache, the Struts community is accountable to the Apache Software Foundation's Board of Directors, and one of the things that gets watched is how well the various projects implement "the Apache Way". And one of the key tenets of that "way" is how new committers get selected. Regardless of the details, anything along the general lines of what you describe would be quite different from the way Apache has grown from the very beginning to what it is today -- and it would, therefore, be looked at with a *lot* of skepticism by Apache as a whole. Trying to argue that the Apache Way is flawed, and needs to be fundamentally changed like this, does not seem likely (to me) to get much agreement Apache wide, given the ASF's history, and the success of many of its projects at building communities of committers that buy in to that culture -- and, by the way, produce some pretty popular software to boot. So what the heck is this "Apache way" thing? It is a culture; a way of gathering a community that interoperates ... and it can be tough at times to write down a descrption that makes sense. But [1] is a pretty good starting point. I'd also recommend looking through the documentation for the Incubator Project (where a specific exit criteria is that the folks participating in the new project "get it" about the Apache way). Frank Craig [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html PS: If you like the code but don't like the community, one of the best things about Apache is that the license gives you the right to fork and build your own community, operated according to whatever rules please you. So, even if a proposal like this is not accepted, you still have the opportunity to go build "a better Struts" -- that doesn't have to be done here.
