On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 12:38, Miro Hrončok <mhron...@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 22. 01. 20 12:19, Neal Gompa wrote:>> We do need a better > discoverability and > visibility in the generic > >> development community. But it is a solvable task: we can create a > >> read-only mirror of our code on every common platform out there. We > >> can use it as an opportunity to show what we do, but also to teach how > >> we do it. For example OpenStack has a bot which replies on every > >> GitHub issue and pull-request to the read-only mirrored repository > >> with a manual on how one can send the same change through the > >> OpenStack development process. We would need to do it the same way > >> anyway, if we land on anything other than GitHub. > > > > I'm sorry, no. I absolutely despise the Gerrit workflow that OpenStack > > uses. To me, the only thing worse than Gerrit is the email/bz patch > > submission workflow we used prior to Pagure. Gerrit would be a step up > > from that legacy workflow, but it pushes too much crap onto the > > contributor that it's a great way to demotivate people. > > > > Having contributed to projects using Gerrit, and previously dealt with > > Gerrit based workflows, I can honestly say that Gerrit is absolutely a > > miserable experience and the OpenStack project should feel bad about > > the fact that they think Gerrit provides a good user experience. > > What's worse is that the stupid bot that they use on GitHub mirrors is > > completely unfriendly to drive-by contributors. The OpenStack Project > > is an example of how to make it fundamentally driven by corporate > > developers who force asinine workflows because they can't be bothered > > to make a proper community full of a mixture of hobbyists and > > corporate contributors. And don't get me started on the fact that > > there are no distributions of OpenStack on community Linux > > distributions anymore, which I further indicate as evidence that the > > OpenStack community is too insular for its own good. RDO does not > > count since it doesn't work on *real* community distributions like > > Fedora. > > While I don't necessarily agree with the tone, +1 I appreciate that people are passionate about this topic, but let's stay respectful of other people work and opinion. > I must agree the the Gerrit > experience for drive by contributors is one of the most horrible ones I > had. > > I even think sending patches over e-mail is probably better. > > > > The main reason I haven't pursued it is because CentOS CI is so > > unreliable and awful. It's demoralizing getting failures and then > > looking at Jenkins and seeing there are no logs of the failure. Or the > > increasing number of "error" states where it just breaks... > > This has been reported a year ago, without a fix so far: > > During running tests, it's very hard to see what's happening > https://pagure.io/fedora-ci/general/issue/2 > > CI errors are undecipherable > https://pagure.io/fedora-ci/general/issue/43 > > CI errors happen far to often > https://pagure.io/fedora-ci/general/issue/44 > > > I've been trying to make those issues a priority when we adapted gating, > but I > was outvoted at FESCo. > > -- > Miro Hrončok > -- > Phone: +420777974800 > IRC: mhroncok > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >
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