Re: [dmarc-discuss] Fwd: Hotmail forwarding

Fri, 31 Mar 2017 01:31:31 -0700

I meant to add: it would be sensible to create a hotmail.com account yourself and test the simple case of a freshly-created account. This won't tell you everything, but it will tell you whether your setup is broken even for simple Microsoft cases. 

- Roland

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On 31/03/17 16:13, Roland Turner wrote:

Ah yes, idiot taste tasting :-)
I can't pick it on this one; it's spent an astonishing number of hops inside Microsoft. I'd hazard a guess that there's some user-specified forwarding going on, perhaps between a free account and a corporate account, or vice versa, which is leading to breakage. This would explain reassessing SPF when the message was forwarded from one Microsoft address (40.92.65.94) to another. It doesn't otherwise make much sense, but configurations take time to optimise in large environments of course. 

I do note two gems:

  * Test mode DKIM: "dkim=fail (*testing mode*; identity alignment
    result is pass and alignment mode is relaxed)
    header.d=groups.ilovefreegle.org" and in the DNS
    "x._domainkey.groups.ilovefreegle.org. 3599 IN TXT "v=DKIM1;
    *t=y*; k=rsa; p=MHwwDQYJKoZ...". I'd be getting rid of t=y.
  * Short DKIM key: "dkim=ignore (*ignored public key size*)
    header.d=groups.ilovefreegle.org;hotmail.com". You're using a 1024
    bit key, Microsoft is using a 2048 bit key. I've stopped paying
    close attention, but perhaps they've decided that 1024 bits
    doesn't cut it. I'd consider switching to 2048 bit.

- Roland

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On 31/03/17 15:35, Edward Hibbert via dmarc-discuss wrote:
On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Steve Atkins <st...@wordtothewise.com <mailto:st...@wordtothewise.com>> wrote: 


    > On Mar 27, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Edward Hibbert
    <edw...@ehibbert.org.uk <mailto:edw...@ehibbert.org.uk>> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > ------ Original Message ------
    > From: "Steve Atkins via dmarc-discuss" <dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org
    <mailto:dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org>>
    > To: "dmarc-discuss" <dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org
    <mailto:dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org>>
    > Sent: 27/03/2017 18:53:59
    > Subject: Re: [dmarc-discuss] Hotmail forwarding
    >
    >>
    >> You're DKIM signing a message with a selector/d= pair for
    which there's no public key published in DNS. That seems like a
    mistake, and means your mail isn't DKIM signed.
    >>
    >> If SPF fails due to forwarding (which it usually will, that's
    what SPF does) and your mail isn't DKIM signed, that'll trigger
    DMARC action.
    > I think you're right, and I'm an idiot who can't use the
    interface to my DNS.  I'll put the DNS record in correctly.

    :)

    There's an online checker at
    http://tools.wordtothewise.com/authentication
    <http://tools.wordtothewise.com/authentication> if you want to
    check that it's published correctly once you're done.
Well, I corrected it yesterday, and checked it using http://dkimvalidator.com/ <http://dkimvalidator.com/> , but I'm still getting NDRs (example below). I would be grateful for any indication of what flavour of idiot I am currently being. 

Edward



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