Erik Moeller wrote: > On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:56 PM, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 22 October 2011 22:51, Tobias Oelgarte >> And, in detail, why is a hide/show all solution inadequate? What is >> the use case this does not serve? > > Clearly Hebrew and Arabic Wikipedia found a "show/hide all" solution > inadequate. Are folks from those communities on the list? It would be > interesting to hear from them as to why they ended up with the > collapsing approach they took.
Clearly nothing, Erik. You know not to make irrational and unfounded jumps like this when examining a phenomenon. You're a programmer, FFS. There's nothing to suggest that the Hebrew or Arabic Wikipedias found a show/hide solution inadequate. There's quite a bit to suggest that such a solution is much more difficult to (decently) implement, though. There's also quite a bit to suggest that wiki-editors work with the tools available to them generally, not the tools that could be available to them. Collapsing has been used in navboxes at the bottom of the page for ages. I'm not sure if it's the German Wikipedia or the English Wikipedia that started it, but the history is surely in MediaWiki:Common.js or MediaWiki:Monobook.js, for those who are interested. In any case, the English Wikipedia, at least, used to do the exact same with certain images. There were even a few helper templates. I think "Template:Linkimage" was one; "Template:PopUpImage" appears to be another, looking through the revision history of "Autofellatio" on the English Wikipedia. I don't believe any such templates are used (legitimately) to obscure or obfuscate images on the English Wikipedia today. They were tossed out some time ago. This was the technology available to wiki-editors, so this is what they chose to use. Necessity and opportunity are the parents of all hacks, surely. Drawing a conclusion such as "Hebrew and Arabic Wikipedia found a 'show/hide all' solution inadequate" from the historical evidence doesn't make any sense to me. If there's evidence of this conclusion (beyond relying on the absence of implementation), I'm sure many people on this list would be interested in it. It should be noted that there are also on-wiki resources for plotting actions and events related to controversial content: <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Controversial_content/Timeline>. I strongly urge you and others to add information (with cites, as necessary and appropriate). :-) MZMcBride _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
