On Jul 10, 2011, at 11:09 PM, ya knygar wrote:
What about timezones ?
persistence, the best of concurrent editing shows up
when there are people online on one theme, just amazing,
and when people offline - it could look like a wiki
i absolutly agree with you "live" is allways much better,
because questions appear in between a discussion or
driving in another direction, so its more inspirational and creativ.
Whats the difference between etherpad and IRC ?
the point is in time economy - when the structuring of wiki
like result
is real-time driven by people that could chat nearby,
in such environment - ideas are discussed and produced
more rapidly, with less chance of repeating what is already
said but in another wiki or another topic..
please, see example without a chat -
http://etherpad.mozilla.com:9000/testday-20110715
example with a chat http://etherpad.mozilla.com:9000/qa-auto-mozmill-crowd
example with a big chat - and big list - http://primarypad.com/OeMj2ZnZqo
(sorry for adv, can't find bigger)
there are https://github.com/toolness/all-my-etherpads#readme
automate html converter
that could make it like http://htmlpad.org/qa-auto-mozmill-crowd/
there are no html mark-up, but if you'll see the source of that page -
it creates a simple mark-spaced
mock-up that could be nicely automated into wiki, i think.
ohh ok, i understand now , good thing !! it remind me on subethaedit
for mac
http://www.codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/
its made for collaborative programming
All RFCs for at the IETF are developed thru mailing list and some
people, like me ,
that are not native english speakers and cant follow a very
technical live discussion so easily,
therefore i would prefer Asynchronous communication. :)
strong point, but Etherpad encourages the result in Wiki alike style
but easily changeable, and far more user-friendly;
shortened-style tech talks have their place in chat,
like in -
yes, i understand what you mean now ,
excuse me - broken link..
like in - chats that German police have
taken - http://etherpad.org/2011/05/20/german-police-raid-etherpad-deployment/
..
thats very interesting because i remember what happend that day :))
http://kcode.de/images/misc/pp-down_overview.svg
greetings
Marc
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Marc Manthey <m...@let.de> wrote:
On Jul 10, 2011, at 7:05 AM, ya knygar wrote:
Mailing lists aren't a solution for a wide discussion,
even with Google Groups client - it isn't.
Nor forums or wiki's.
i prefer etherpad as it is open for every-one Now
and proven by time,
So - i recommend to transfer a discussion from list/IRC/Wiki to
something like Etherpad (Wave?)
Synchronous communication is nice to have BUT its not that easy
and has
limitations :)
What about timezones ? people have familys , work and commitments,
so
possibly just an time frame
from about an hour per day, but this could be at 4 am your time.
All RFCs for at the IETF are developed thru mailing list and some
people,
like me ,
that are not native english speakers and cant follow a very
technical live
discussion so easily,
therefore i would prefer Asynchronous communication. :)
http://www.asaecenter.org/Resources/articledetail.cfm?
itemnumber=13572
for real-time wide and productive discussion with a nice
persistence,
and - use a dynamic system like Etherpad - for discussion, after
awhile it turns like a cute system that does the job.
Whats the difference between etherpad and IRC ?
have you seen this ?
http://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/UserRequirements/BrainStorm
or this:
http://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox#Software_.26_protocols
All discussions are stored here
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/freedombox-discuss/
Just pull it from there into a wiki :)
cu
Marc
P.S. But we could try hangout aswell :)
https://talkgadget.google.com/talkgadget/hangout/
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