On 4/16/25 1:20 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
With Mr. Beast himself driving the WankPanzer and the DOGE team hanging onto the scaffold for dear life? Heading for a huge pile of cash shaped like the Manosphere. Just to go yet-more toxic-pop-culture?The image in my head is someone attaching building scaffolding to a Cyber Truck and driving away in Beast Mode.
*From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of steve smith <sasm...@swcp.com>*Date: *Wednesday, April 16, 2025 at 12:14 PM *To: *friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] competent kidnapping (was Re: money is a delusion) yes to the recursive scaffolding of low/high/low/high surprisal... Latent affordances get realized unto normalcy (e.g. non-unique) which creates a fresh and fertile layer for the unique to discover/recognize new affordances upon? On 4/16/25 10:24 AM, glen wrote: > I agree, completely. But it's a personal agreement, not a systemic > one. For someone less broadly capable, the large hubs of homogeneity > are necessary. Uniqueness can only thrive in the context of > non-uniqueness ... rising tides, basic needs, shared values, > yaddayadda. I think I can argue that the only way one can even relax > enough to grok uniqueness as a concept is *when* they're swimming in a > pool of homogeny. Otherwise, you have no cognitive power left with > which to consider the lofty abstracts. > > Here, I'm thinking concretely about some disabled people, Stephen > Hawking even. Without the very businessy infrastructure, we would have > lost his uniqueness long before we did. I can only imagine achieving > things like this without businessy universities/labs/institutes: > https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01001-6 > > Yes, a scale-free infrastructure is compatible with what you wrote, > but not explicitly expressed. So sorry for my me-too banality. 8^D > > On 4/16/25 9:00 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> I don't want the expectation of being integrated into any random >> culture or for them to adapt to me. If universities or places like >> SFI create a cloud of ideas that are not connected to their >> communities or exclude me, that is not only fine with me, it is what >> I hope to see in the world. What makes a culture valuable is that it >> does something unique. But if it does nothing unique, and prevents >> other unique things from happening, then it can and should fail. >> So, while I don't like difficult-to-navigate membranes just to >> maintain a club (or a political party), I can see they are sometimes >> necessary to maintain an outpost where ideas can develop. >> >> As for NOAA, I saw a message on LinkedIn the other day that someone I >> had worked with on a project was just let go. I believe he was very >> productive. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen >> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2025 7:53 AM >> To: friam@redfish.com >> Subject: [FRIAM] competent kidnapping (was Re: money is a delusion) >> >> I ran across 2 relevant stories this morning: >> >> 1)>> https://www.404media.co/ice-just-paid-palantir-tens-of-millions-for-complete-target-analysis-of-known-populations/>> 2)>> https://www.cascadepbs.org/environment/2025/04/new-federal-policy-leaves-noaa-scientists-clean-mess>> >> I may have to start sending money to 404, maybe cancel my Guardian >> sub. On the one hand, the kidnappings so far have been incompetent. >> Palantir (way more Evil than xAI or Twitter) will drastically improve >> ICE's competence. Sadly. >> >> But re the primary point made, here, I've never believed in >> universities, per se. Any academics I managed to integrate into my >> world view came from application, not from lectures. Even last night, >> wracked by coughing, I kept thinking that I can't/don't really even >> collaborate on *problems* or arguments or algorithms or whatever >> abstract thing. I can only collaborate on things, objects, machines, >> etc. On the one hand, Gessen's idea (in light of scientists having to >> do IT and take out the trash) might foster this kind of concrete >> collaboration. It would look more like apprenticeship than oracles >> tongue-wagging mysterious revelations at you. >> >> But on the other hand, it's difficult to do intense specialized work >> if you have to be a renaissance person in everything you do with >> little specialization. There's a conflict (not quite a contradiction) >> within Gessen's "act like universities, not like businesses." Is the >> janitor also a math student? And a book keeper? IDK. Maybe this Trump >> deconstruction is necessary to realize the lofty "school" Nick used >> to babble about. >> >> >> On 4/15/25 1:11 PM, Santafe wrote: >>> >>>> On Apr 15, 2025, at 23:23, glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Meanwhile, in the actual world: >>>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fdailynous.com%2f2 >>>> 025%2f04%2f15%2fphilosophy-major-snatched-by-ice-during-citizenship-i >>>> nterview%2f&c=E,1,L2ZI3y2CS5tyf6183uFV4tgrUv3__xDR-FHW6S-Wy1gbdeGn2Zk >>>> QcyFv_bTqvzhaOIQMRuwSBdHDtKoE0CvhMmJVBK2sCyoblTAr04YmIKWMLYvGVXxnN8I- >>>> 7alQ&typo=1 >>> >>> I would like to see the media start to refer to these as >>> kidnappings, or abductions, or some other at-least-properly-scoped >>> term. In every case where that is the correct one, which I think >>> would be every case we have seen in the news so far. >>> >>> Turns out Masha Gessen wrote a kind of nice piece in the NYT a few >>> days ago, which came to me on a different list. >>> 14gessen-videoSixteenByNineJumbo1600-v2.jpg >>> Opinion | This Is How Universities Can Escape Trump’s Trap, if They >>> Dare >>> <https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/14/opinion/trump-higher-education.htm >>> l> nytimes.com >>> <https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/14/opinion/trump-higher-education.htm >>> l> >>> >>> <https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/14/opinion/trump-higher-education.htm >>> l> >>> >>> To the extent that it has been done, it’s proper to say it is a >>> strategy. I think the resulting education will end up being rather >>> more restrictive than what I had hoped for from a full educational >>> program, and probably focused heavily on civics. Math could be >>> possible, in the sense that that can be taught “behind the hedges”. >>> Medical research, not so much. But, one does what one can do. >>> >>> It’s an interesting question what is the proper balance of criticism >>> and understanding to give the businessmen who run universities, and >>> who have Darwin-wise managed to eliminate almost any other model >>> from the ecosystem. It’s not total criticism, in the sense that >>> there is sheer mechanics that they do contribute to solving, without >>> which the broad set of functions I want don’t get done. But the >>> sense that they don’t take seriously what it means to live under a >>> fascist regime where dissidence is the _only_ alternative to >>> collaboration — there is no more neutrality — does seem to be a >>> deserved criticism of their responses so far. >>> >>> Eric > > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. 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