-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The discussions on this list are getting to the point where visibility of the things that are preventing FSF from standing in solidarity with Debian are becoming clear. Behind all the questions over firmwares and definition's of Debian's inclusiveness and definitions of freedom is just the one question that is really what we are all here to discuss.
The question is, "What is the minimum that Debian has to do or say to get to be called a free distribution and still be the same Debian?" Which is to say, a Debian that FSF can label free while simultaneously retaining the same quick and easy access to vetted nonfree repositories. This is the elephant in the room. Debian's website says, software contained in contrib and nonfree are not part of the system. Except those packages are hosted, supported, and maintained in exactly the same way as everything else. We only shift the nomenclature around a bit. This is Orwellian double-think. How many fingers *is* Debian actually holding up? Some will say four and some will say five and yet more will begin to ask if thumbs count as fingers and so on. I don't know what Bradley Kuhn would say about it, but I don't think FSF should look the other way while Debian is stacking the deck and stuffing cards up their sleeves. I don't think it would elevate freedom in the community if they did. The fully free systems already on FSF's list never had contrib and nonfree repositories from which to distance themselves. Partly that is because they are derivatives of existing distributions like Fedora and Debian and simply extracted the freedom respecting bits, but mostly because their main goal is to be free. Which brings me back to the point I originally made. If Debian were serious about being a free distribution, we wouldn't be taking out our tape measures to figure out the minimum distance we need to put between main and contrib/nonfree before it makes Debian's claim to be 100% free become something meaningful. We would be talking about simply and irrevocably cutting off the contrib and nonfree repositories ab initio. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQHZjMAAoJEM5s7GXJ0FEIQpYIAIT8cirrpAQzrlsIgnvPU0eI k7lDGCNZ7Z2VLjaV8lhGko9zsKk5meV4/hhnppGNjOFhphU2RrmLRYqJPkk5uxVF akWFpyH4EE9qLoP0CZWO7B4kKjaSqYXyGjxvMYT5KEziu/THTU3BYbGCB0RsM7CM ELcQ10gVf6LRk7czNvDGzagMi7VszivURPRkP51IQwBJbKRzGNivhKAttvRo4BVd KpkdMDx7p6c2IWVXgmbRm2dAQeTzFJM5w/zPAIC/SzUMaLAkKFekdUN2Y1eLmQ2L 6kGrLldzHm0gMxW+Aolx+1007ZkyObzwI83PoSbRLJz8dOT4tmxO+zGDj0iSpRk= =EgRx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Fsf-collab-discuss mailing list Fsf-collab-discuss@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/fsf-collab-discuss