On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Carol Moore <carolmoor...@verizon.net>wrote:
>
> The sexism in the antiglobalization and non-pacifist and non-womens
> antiwar groups (and even some of the former) was pretty bad in the
> "first decade." Not just tolerance of sexist remarks and discomfort
> with discussion sexist advances, but too much tolerance of advocacy and
> practice of violence by males. (While women who spoke out against were
> open to being accused of using "violent language" or being "peace nazis"
> for opposing such talk.)
>
It's nice to hear your response since I know you were active in the the
first decade as you said ("hippie chick" =) ). I have had people mock me
for speaking out against poor behavior and incivility on Wikipedia, for
godsake!
>
> Women who went along with the male consensus (or were paid employees of
> various male dominated activist organizations) were allowed to be
> leaders, spokespersons, etc. Women who went their own way, exercised
> leadership that didn't support the male consensus or worse were against
> it would get in big trouble. (I have lots of times. ;-)
>
Yes, I have seen that before, offline personally and online in observances
on Wikipedia. Reading the article, I saw certain aspects that reminded me
of Wikipedia, and your observation here is one of them. There does seem to
be a posse of folks like that on Wikipedia, and it's tough and demoralizing
at times (especially when you're the butt of their comments; which seem to
intend to make you feel like crap for the good you trying to do). I do
think it's interesting to see how the Occupy movement coincides culturally
to the Wikimedia movement.
>
> So I assumed the worst about most of the Occupy groups. I was wondering
> if and how soon women would start to organize against the nonsense. Now
> I see there was at least talk in that article about them doing so in DC
> (even if link didn't bear out that assertion).
>
>
I haven't attended any gatherings or meetings, only participated in some
conversation via Twitter, and taken photographs of the encampments. I was
thinking of walking down on Thanksgiving ("[[Unthanksgiving]]" for some of
us) and dropping off some donations for folks. After I read this article, I
thought I might focus on personal care items for women, specifically. My
main point is to note that I haven't really kept track of how many women
are on site when I'm nearby the encampment(s). I do look forward seeing it
up close.
Both Sue and Pete have recently attended Occupy events. Has anyone else
observed anything like in this article? The past 24 hours news has been
buzzing about a sexual assault on a woman at one of the encampments here.
> I'll definitely have to wander down soon and snoop around. Oh, boy, a
> brand new chance to be slammed as an "obnoxious feminist" ....
>
>
I'll join you :)
-Sarah
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