Spot on description, Sarah, of why not to nominate an article at DYK, "... drama, rude people, too "complex" of a process for something so simple". Yup, DYK can be (is) dysfunctional and the DYK project doesn't take criticism well. But if an article meets its requirements, it will eventually make it to the main page. So nominating more articles seems to make sense.
I haven't witnessed gender bias within DYK, i.e. women's biographies don't appear to be treated differently than men's; self-identified female nominators don't appear to be treated differently than male nominators. But if you are aware of a nominator being treated poorly because of her gender, or really anything related to gender bias within the DYK process, I'd be very receptive to hearing from you, either through a reply here, or email me directly. I appreciate all your feedback -- so keep it coming -- and I will work on a proposal to tackle this issue. Wish me luck! -Rosie user:Rosiestep On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 5:00 AM, <gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > Send Gendergap mailing list submissions to > gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gendergap-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gendergap-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Gendergap digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You > Know?) section (Rob) > 2. Re: Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You > Know?) section (Sarah Stierch) > 3. Re: Women's biographies at the main page's DYK (Did You > Know?) section (Siko Bouterse) > 4. Gender diversity and women's biographies discussed in July > WMF Research showcase (Pine W) > 5. Blog post "Creating Safe Spaces" (Pine W) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:19:06 -0400 > From: Rob <gamali...@gmail.com> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women's biographies at the main page's DYK > (Did You Know?) section > Message-ID: > <CAMY8yAXp_iQ8XXy= > qvmh8jtzpacr+e2--hhojur4_-z5ms9...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > DYK is pretty dysfunctional behind the scenes so I don't think there's any > hope of changing DYK processes to address this issue. What can be done is > to encourage individual WikiProjects addressing the gender gap to include > submitting new and improved articles to DYK as a part of their regular > process of article improvement. It's very easy to get a good article onto > DYK once it is submitted there. > > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Rosiestep Wiki <rosiestep.w...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > I've noticed this for years -- fewer women's biographies vs. men's in an > > average week at the DYK section of the main page. Maybe I've noticed this > > because I'm a highly prolific contributor to DYK. But I've wondered how > > many reader eyeballs land on the main page and notice the same thing? > > > > Some statistics here: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions > > > > Annually, there's a preponderance of women's biographies in March > (Women's > > History Month). And during the rest of the year, there's the occasional > set > > (6-7 "hooks") or occasional day (2-3 sets) where the majority of the > > biographies are regarding women. But it's an uncommon occurrence over the > > course of a week. The reason seems simple: fewer women's biographies are > > being nominated by editors, so fewer are promoted, and fewer appear at > DYK. > > It almost goes without saying that fewer women's biographies are > > created/expanded compared to men's but it's actually important to address > > this, as IMO, it's the crux of the problem. I am not suggesting and would > > not support setting limits on the number of men's biographies which > appear > > at DYK. Instead, I'd like to believe that issue/problem recognition is > the > > first step before we brainstorm some objectives, develop workplans (i.e. > > monthly edit-a-thons anyone?), and measure outcomes. > > > > I'm considering creating a proposal and applying for a grant to work on > > this "percentage issue". Feedback? > > > > -Rosie > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rosiestep > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20140717/c0d23e66/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 08:29:35 -0700 > From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stie...@gmail.com> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women's biographies at the main page's DYK > (Did You Know?) section > Message-ID: > <CAKiGLfpJPHodWq7075sp7M509iSezeqMjBJH=NUQd7fV=_ > r...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yeah I stopped submitting DYK a long time ago...drama, rude people, too > "complex" of a process for something so simple... > On Jul 17, 2014 8:19 AM, "Rob" <gamali...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > DYK is pretty dysfunctional behind the scenes so I don't think there's > any > > hope of changing DYK processes to address this issue. What can be done > is > > to encourage individual WikiProjects addressing the gender gap to include > > submitting new and improved articles to DYK as a part of their regular > > process of article improvement. It's very easy to get a good article > onto > > DYK once it is submitted there. > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Rosiestep Wiki < > rosiestep.w...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > >> I've noticed this for years -- fewer women's biographies vs. men's in an > >> average week at the DYK section of the main page. Maybe I've noticed > this > >> because I'm a highly prolific contributor to DYK. But I've wondered how > >> many reader eyeballs land on the main page and notice the same thing? > >> > >> Some statistics here: > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions > >> > >> Annually, there's a preponderance of women's biographies in March > >> (Women's History Month). And during the rest of the year, there's the > >> occasional set (6-7 "hooks") or occasional day (2-3 sets) where the > >> majority of the biographies are regarding women. But it's an uncommon > >> occurrence over the course of a week. The reason seems simple: fewer > >> women's biographies are being nominated by editors, so fewer are > promoted, > >> and fewer appear at DYK. It almost goes without saying that fewer > women's > >> biographies are created/expanded compared to men's but it's actually > >> important to address this, as IMO, it's the crux of the problem. I am > not > >> suggesting and would not support setting limits on the number of men's > >> biographies which appear at DYK. Instead, I'd like to believe that > >> issue/problem recognition is the first step before we brainstorm some > >> objectives, develop workplans (i.e. monthly edit-a-thons anyone?), and > >> measure outcomes. > >> > >> I'm considering creating a proposal and applying for a grant to work on > >> this "percentage issue". Feedback? > >> > >> -Rosie > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rosiestep > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gendergap mailing list > >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20140717/e944f949/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 08:33:58 -0700 > From: Siko Bouterse <sboute...@wikimedia.org> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women's biographies at the main page's DYK > (Did You Know?) section > Message-ID: > < > calncu3phonbvemewuu5bmbxzrx1omb6+rleqez3ety7k6bu...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Glad you're raising this issue, Rosie, and thinking about a grant-funded > project to address it seems like a smart plan! Testing new ways for making > engagement with DYK a more regular part of any workshops or other times > where women's biographies are being worked on makes sense to me. My 1 and > only DYK was for a woman's bio, but at the time I didn't know anything > about the process (wouldn't have occurred to me it was something that a > noob working on a short article could be part of). If someone else hadn't > nominated, it wouldn't have happened. > > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Rosiestep Wiki <rosiestep.w...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I've noticed this for years -- fewer women's biographies vs. men's in an > > average week at the DYK section of the main page. Maybe I've noticed this > > because I'm a highly prolific contributor to DYK. But I've wondered how > > many reader eyeballs land on the main page and notice the same thing? > > > > Some statistics here: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_additions > > > > Annually, there's a preponderance of women's biographies in March > (Women's > > History Month). And during the rest of the year, there's the occasional > set > > (6-7 "hooks") or occasional day (2-3 sets) where the majority of the > > biographies are regarding women. But it's an uncommon occurrence over the > > course of a week. The reason seems simple: fewer women's biographies are > > being nominated by editors, so fewer are promoted, and fewer appear at > DYK. > > It almost goes without saying that fewer women's biographies are > > created/expanded compared to men's but it's actually important to address > > this, as IMO, it's the crux of the problem. I am not suggesting and would > > not support setting limits on the number of men's biographies which > appear > > at DYK. Instead, I'd like to believe that issue/problem recognition is > the > > first step before we brainstorm some objectives, develop workplans (i.e. > > monthly edit-a-thons anyone?), and measure outcomes. > > > > I'm considering creating a proposal and applying for a grant to work on > > this "percentage issue". Feedback? > > > > -Rosie > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rosiestep > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > > -- > Siko Bouterse > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > sboute...@wikimedia.org > > *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the > sum of all knowledge. * > *Donate <https://donate.wikimedia.org> or click the "edit" button today, > and help us make it a reality!* > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20140717/e26e0efc/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:07:38 -0700 > From: Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: [Gendergap] Gender diversity and women's biographies > discussed in July WMF Research showcase > Message-ID: > <CAF=dyJjY= > sbmrnksija3pjqzr1ag1tetcnvavbvucd3dvh+...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > This subject was discussed during this month's Research and Data showcase. > > >From Leila's summary: > > > *Using Open Data and Stories to Broaden Crowd Content > > *By Nathan Matias*: > > Nathan will share a series of research on gender diversity online and > > designs for collaborative content creation that foster learning and > > community. He will also demo a prototype for a system that could leverage > > open data to attract and support new Wikipedia contributors. > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E4JcxTgmco > > Pine > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20140717/55f34df2/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 21:11:49 -0700 > From: Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> > To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects." > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Cc: Individual Engagement Grants Committee > <ieg...@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: [Gendergap] Blog post "Creating Safe Spaces" > Message-ID: > <CAF= > dyjifqe9qw6oiutn001mcidwb8r5h-eed8jyvu7xkfou...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Blog post by Mssemantics > > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/07/14/creating-safe-spaces/ > > Pine > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/attachments/20140717/5174e216/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > End of Gendergap Digest, Vol 42, Issue 17 > ***************************************** >
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