Does anyone have a proposed "action plan" to do anything about this? On Dec 10, 2014 3:05 PM, "regu...@gmail.com" <regu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with most of what risker says. There are several groups on the > project that exert undue influence over their articles whether male or > female. If the wmf gets involvedvat all, it should be to ensure that > policies are enforced evenly throughout the project and these,power cabals > are broken up. > > > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device > > > > > > ------ Original message------ > > *From: *Risker > > *Date: *Wed, Dec 10, 2014 2:46 PM > > *To: *Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the > participation of women within Wikimedia projects.; > > *Subject:*Re: [Gendergap] Women, cliques and Wikipedia's tyranny of > structurelessness > > > >> Carol said: >> >> I do think there are structural things that can be imposed by the >> Wikimedia Foundation to make reforms happen. (Whether they'll choose the >> right reforms and the right people to make them happen is a whole 'nother >> story.) *But the purpose of this thread is not to discuss specific >> reforms, but to **focus on the issue of male dominated Wikipedia cliques >> intent on keeping Wikipedia a place where dominant males don't have to put >> up with these damned women (or "radical feminist c*nts/tw*ats" in their >> minds) who keep yammering about making Wikipedia a nice (or even safe!) >> place to edit.* Discussion of some womens' complicity in all this >> obviously is relevant too. >> >> >> > > > I'm not certain you've got it right here, Carol. I think the cliques > (which, given the overall makeup of the project, are almost always > male-dominated) don't want to put up with *anyone*, male or female, that > opposes their view. I've seen female-dominated cliques on the project > (rare as they are) behave equally appallingly. There are corners of the > project where any interloper, regardless of gender, is treated with the > back of the hand by the "regulars", whether those regulars are male or > female. > > A friend of mine recently reminded me of the language of "southern ladies" > and how they often use perfectly normal sounding phrases to cut people to > the core. (A classic example would be "bless his heart" or, more > emphatically, "bless his dear little heart" - which to all the world reads > like a slight eye-roll, but is actually properly decoded as "that idiot" or > (more emphatically) "that *frickin* idiot".) I've seen a lot of examples > of that on Wikipedia, where it's been so obvious that the written word > *reads* civilly but is intended as a cutting insult - in my experience, > women editors use this method out of proportion to the percentage of women > on the project - and in some ways it is an even greater insult because it's > hard to persuade others that what look like civil words are being used to > convey quite the opposite meaning. > > Risker/Anne > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >
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