Thanks for the link and explanation. It fooled me then, I saw it as simple bigotry and stopped reading about it, or anything that Tarc had to say from there on.
I agree with your comment about being cautious about sarcasm or reductio ad absurdum on the internet. Bigoted language as a joke, parody or rhetorical trick is not just prone to back-firing but when at this level of nastiness, is going to stick, and be incredibly hard to return from. Fae On 26 January 2015 at 18:15, Neotarf <neot...@gmail.com> wrote: > There is a thread on the PD talk page that will explain it, but I can't seem > to find the original. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Manning_naming_dispute/Proposed_decision#The_Tarc_fiasco > > Tarc was using a rhetorical device called "reductio ad absurdum" > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum > > It always backfires on the internet, since no one can tell the difference > between a real bigot and someone pretending to be a bigot in order to mock > bigotry. I would like to think I'm good at spotting sarcasm and > tongue-in-cheek statements, but I was fooled completely. I remember > thinking that Tarc's political views were not what I had thought them to be. > But as it turned out, he was the same old Tarc after all. The tactic might > have had the desired effect, and who knows, maybe tilted the case in the > direction that Tarc had intended. But people don't like to be fooled, this > kind of thing usually ends in hostility. > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Sarah <slimvir...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:43 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Tarc, I felt your "lipstick on a pig" comment about a transexual was >>> not just disgusting, but was a key example of why we needed a WM-LGBT >>> user group to both highlight and gradually improve a hostile culture >>> on Wikimedia projects that appeared to allow blatantly anti-LGBT >>> attitudes and language on its projects under the guise of "being a >>> joke" or "teasing". >>> >>> I stopped following any of the crap related to your defamatory >>> language, so if you apologised I missed it. If you did apologize, >>> could you give a link to it, or if not then maybe a thread here or >>> Wikimedia-l might be a good way of building some bridges with members >>> of minority groups that you took part in driving away from Wikipedia >>> through comments like this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Fae >>> >> Hi Fae, Tarc wrote during or after the Chelsea Manning case that his >> comments had been a false-flag operation, intended to shine a spotlight on >> transphobia. He acknowledged that this was not a good way to do it, and as I >> recall he apologized. >> >> Sarah >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
