I, personally, would rather that this list not be used to criticize specific editors in a forum that they have no opportunity to respond in. I'm not a list admin, but I'm pretty sure this list is for talking about general issues relating to the gender gap.
I would strongly recommend to use the existing dispute resolution methods available onwiki instead of coming to this list to complain about specific editors and their actions. I'd also take this opportunity to ask that the list admins create a transparent set of rules for messages sent to this list, because there has been a lot of uncivil discourse before on this mailing list and I think it would be prudent to ensure a clear set of guidelines are in force to ensure civility in the future. On May 27, 2017 21:16, "Heather Walls" <hwa...@wikimedia.org> wrote: Inline replies to 3 people... On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 1:57 PM, J Hayes <slowki...@gmail.com> wrote: > the smaller wikis have ownership issues , the arguments are so vehement > because the stakes are so small. > > i would advise trying out lots of other wikis like commons or wikisource > or wikidata. friendlier at source, and lots more metadata cleanup to do at > commons / wikidata. > Hello J. When someone comes to an issue-specific list to discuss that issue, why would you recommend that they just edit somewhere else and not speak to their question? Isn't it the point of this list to discuss gendergap issues? > On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Peter Southwood < > peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > >> At the risk of being labelled biased, I do not see that that was a >> legitimate fix to address systemic bias. It looked rather pointy to me. >> Perhaps you could explain just how it addressed systemic bias in a useful >> way. >> >> Cheers, Peter >> > Peter, what I see in that first edit was the removal of a sentence that spoke about the appearance of a woman for no reason at all. There is more information here http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Beauty_duty > *From:* Gendergap [mailto:gendergap-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Jessy D. King >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 April 2017 7:27 PM >> *To:* Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> *Subject:* [Gendergap] Wiktionary *desperately* needs more gender-aware >> editors >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm new to this list, this is my first post. >> >> >> >> If Wikipedia is a boy's club, Wiktionary is an uber boy's club. It *so* >> desperately needs people interested in addressing systemic bias. >> >> >> >> Every time I try to make completely legitimate fixes to address systemic >> bias of the male privilege variety (for example, >> >> https://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=so&type=revision >> &diff=42598962&oldid=42598906 ) >> >> it is reverted very quickly (in the just-referenced case, within 10 >> minutes). Then a fight must ensue in which I'm accused of being things like >> "dishonest", "disrespectful" and 'railing'. The person in this case has >> demonstrated his double standards in his edit summary and in his comments >> to me on his talk page, and that is absolutely (unfortunately) the norm >> amongst long-term Wiktionary editors. >> >> >> >> It is incredibly demoralising. My contributions to Wiktionary include >> adding etymologies, adding quotations, all with absolutely no gender issues >> involved, yet none of that work is ever recognised in any way, and I'm >> treated like a resented interloper. The majority of long-term Wiktionary >> editors seem to bitterly resent the very suggestion of addressing systemic >> bias. It is a really, really nasty little uber boy's club in there. Which I >> realise may not encourage anyone to join, I'm just being honest. >> > Hello Jessy, I appreciate your efforts to remove gender issues from Wiktionary. I am disappointed that you found a similar reaction in this list. Warmly, Heather > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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