> This breaks the "git change" symmetry with "git branch", but after
> responding to other messages regarding that command, I'm starting to
> think that's not really a problem.

Sorry, I appended that sentence to the wrong paragraph. It should have
gone with the previous one that regarding the "git change" command.
On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 2:27 PM Stefan Xenos <sxe...@google.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't think this counts as a typical modification and is probably hard to 
> > detect automatically.
>
> Clever use of commands! (side: wouldn't it just be easier to just use
> git commit --amend, though?)
>
> Either way, I agree that there should be a way to manually create a
> change graph or modify one into any possible shape. I've updated the
> "change" command to do what you want - the new version will have
> subcommands for creating arbitrary change graphs.
>
> > subject line will change over time and the original one may become 
> > irrelevant.
>
> There's a section on change naming further down the document. My
> criteria for name selection was that good names should be unique,
> short to type, and memorable to the user. Being relevant to the commit
> wasn't actually a requirement for me except insofar as it helps make
> them memorable. If we agree that these are reasonable criteria, commit
> hashes wouldn't be as good a choice since they'd satisfy the
> uniqueness criteria but would not be short or memorable. I expect that
> whatever criteria we select probably won't be optimal for all users
> which is why the design also includes a new hook for name selection. I
> believe that selected words from the commit comment should cover all
> three criteria in the majority of cases, and that the hook and the
> "change rename" command should cover the remaining corner cases. This
> breaks the "git change" symmetry with "git branch", but after
> responding to other messages regarding that command, I'm starting to
> think that's not really a problem.
>
> > How do we group changes of a topic together? I think branch-diff could take 
> > advantage of that.
>
> Could you clarify your use-case for me? I'm not sure what you mean by
> "changes of a topic". Are you referring to gerrit topics here? Topic
> branches? Or are you asking for some way for end-users to classify and
> organize their unsubmitted changes?
>
> > Could we just organize it like a normal history?
> > Basically all commits will be linked in a new merge history.
>
> From what I can tell, you're suggesting the following changes:
> 1. Reorder the parents such that the content parent comes last rather
> than first.
> 2. Move parent-type from the structured portion of the header to the
> unstructured portion of the commit message.
>
> I'm fine with 1 if that makes something easier.
>
> Regarding 2, I can see some good reasons to put parent-type in the
> header rather than the user-readable portion of the commit message
> - fsck can rely on them when checking the database for validity (for
> example, it can assert that the current repository version doesn't
> attach a non-empty tree, that the content parent always points to a
> real commit, the commit message is empty, that the number of
> parent-types matches the number of parents, that the enum values are
> valid, that the parent orders are correct, etc.).
> - accidental collisions are impossible (users can't accidentally
> corrupt their database by adding or removing the word "parent-type" in
> a commit message).
> - it doesn't spam the user-readable region with machine-readable
> repository internals.
>
> > This makes it possible to just use "git log --first-parent
> > --patch" (or "git log --oneline --graph") to examine the change.
>
> The "git log --oneline --graph" thing should work fine with the
> proposal as it currently is, but I'm not sure that the --first-parent
> --patch thing would be very useful no matter how we order the parents.
> The metacommits have empty trees and commit messages, so such a log
> would just list the metacommit hashes and nothing else. That certainly
> has some utility, but I'd guess it's probably not what you were going
> for. Were you intending to suggest that the metacommit should also use
> the same tree and commit message as its content commit? If so, we
> briefly considered this option while preparing this proposal. That
> would make some commands do approximately the right thing for free.
> However, when we started working through the use-cases (for example,
> checking out a metacommit) we found that all the ones we looked at
> would still need special cases for metacommits and those special cases
> wouldn't be much simpler than they'd be with an empty tree and
> message. Admittedly, git log wasn't one of the use-cases we worked
> through.
>
>   - Stefan
>
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 10:07 PM Duy Nguyen <pclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 2:00 AM <sxe...@google.com> wrote:
> > > +Goals
> > > +-----
> > > +Legend: Goals marked with P0 are required. Goals marked with Pn should be
> > > +attempted unless they interfere with goals marked with Pn-1.
> > > +
> > > +P0. All commands that modify commits (such as the normal commit --amend 
> > > or
> > > +    rebase command) should mark the old commit as being obsolete and 
> > > replaced by
> > > +    the new one. No additional commands should be required to keep the
> > > +    obsolescence graph up-to-date.
> >
> > I sometimes "modify" a commit by "git reset @^", pick up the changes
> > then "git commit -c @{1}". I don't think this counts as a typical
> > modification and is probably hard to detect automatically. But I hope
> > there's some way for me to tell git "yes this is a modified commit of
> > that one, record that!".
> >
> > > +Example usage
> > > +-------------
> > > +# First create three dependent changes
> > > +$ echo foo>bar.txt && git add .
> > > +$ git commit -m "This is a test"
> > > +created change metas/this_is_a_test
> >
> > I guess as an example, how the name metas/this_is_a_test is
> > constructed does not matter much. But it's probably better to stick
> > with some sort of id because subject line will change over time and
> > the original one may become irrelevant. Perhaps we could use the
> > original commit id as name.
> >
> > > +$ echo foo2>bar2.txt && git add .
> > > +$ git commit -m "This is also a test"
> > > +created change metas/this_is_also_a_test
> > > +$ echo foo3>bar3.txt && git add .
> > > +$ git commit -m "More testing"
> > > +created change metas/more_testing
> > > +
> > > +# List all our changes in progress
> > > +$ git change -l
> > > +metas/this_is_a_test
> > > +metas/this_is_also_a_test
> > > +* metas/more_testing
> > > +metas/some_change_already_merged_upstream
> > > +
> > > +# Now modify the earliest change, using its stable name
> > > +$ git reset --hard metas/this_is_a_test
> > > +$ echo morefoo>>bar.txt && git add . && git commit --amend --no-edit
> > > +
> > > +# Use git-evolve to fix up any dependent changes
> > > +$ git evolve
> > > +rebasing metas/this_is_also_a_test onto metas/this_is_a_test
> > > +rebasing metas/more_testing onto metas/this_is_also_a_test
> > > +Done
> > > +
> > > +# Use git-obslog to view the history of the this_is_a_test change
> > > +$ git obslog
> > > +93f110 metas/this_is_a_test@{0} commit (amend): This is a test
> > > +930219 metas/this_is_a_test@{1} commit: This is a test
> > > +
> > > +# Now create an unrelated change
> > > +$ git reset --hard origin/master
> > > +$ echo newchange>unrelated.txt && git add .
> > > +$ git commit -m "Unrelated change"
> > > +created change metas/unrelated_change
> > > +
> > > +# Fetch the latest code from origin/master and use git-evolve
> > > +# to rebase all dependent changes.
> > > +$ git fetch origin master
> > > +$ git evolve origin/master
> > > +deleting metas/some_change_already_merged_upstream
> > > +rebasing metas/this_is_a_test onto origin/master
> > > +rebasing metas/this_is_also_a_test onto metas/this_is_a_test
> > > +rebasing metas/more_testing onto metas/this_is_also_a_test
> > > +rebasing metas/unrelated_change onto origin/master
> > > +Conflict detected! Resolve it and then use git evolve --continue to 
> > > resume.
> > > +
> > > +# Sort out the conflict
> > > +$ git mergetool
> > > +$ git evolve --continue
> > > +Done
> > > +
> > > +# Share the full history of edits for the this_is_a_test change
> > > +# with a review server
> > > +$ git push origin metas/this_is_a_test:refs/for/master
> > > +# Share the lastest commit for “Unrelated change”, without history
> > > +$ git push origin HEAD:refs/for/master
> >
> > How do we group changes of a topic together? I think branch-diff could
> > take advantage of that.
> >
> > > +Detailed design
> > > +===============
> > > +Obsolescence information is stored as a graph of meta-commits. A 
> > > meta-commit is
> > > +a specially-formatted merge commit that describes how one commit was 
> > > created
> > > +from others.
> > > +
> > > +Meta-commits look like this:
> > > +
> > > +$ git cat-file -p <example_meta_commit>
> > > +tree 4b825dc642cb6eb9a060e54bf8d69288fbee4904
> > > +parent aa7ce55545bf2c14bef48db91af1a74e2347539a
> > > +parent d64309ee51d0af12723b6cb027fc9f195b15a5e9
> > > +parent 7e1bbcd3a0fa854a7a9eac9bf1eea6465de98136
> > > +author Stefan Xenos <sxe...@gmail.com> 1540841596 -0700
> > > +committer Stefan Xenos <sxe...@gmail.com> 1540841596 -0700
> > > +parent-type content
> > > +parent-type obsolete
> > > +parent-type origin
> > > +
> > > +This says “commit aa7ce555 makes commit d64309ee obsolete. It was 
> > > created by
> > > +cherry-picking commit 7e1bbcd3”.
> >
> > This feels a bit forced. Could we just organize it like a normal
> > history? Something like
> >
> > *
> > |\
> > | * last version of the commit
> > *
> > |\
> > | * second last version of the commit
> > *
> > |\
> >
> > Basically all commits will be linked in a new merge history. Real
> > commits are on the second parent, first parent is to link changes
> > together. This makes it possible to just use "git log --first-parent
> > --patch" (or "git log --oneline --graph") to examine the change. More
> > details (e.g. parent-type) could be stored as normal trailers in the
> > commit message of these merges.
> > --
> > Duy

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