BTW today we submitted the final BoF proposal, such as it is. We are looking 
for volunteers as BoF chair(s) as well as volunteers to present. An updated 
agenda can be found at 
https://github.com/jlivingood/IETF109BoF/blob/master/109-Agenda.md & we are 
happy to take suggestions on the agenda as well.

Please let us know if you'd like to present (off-list: email the people on cc - 
Jason Weil <jason.w...@charter.com>; Yiu Lee <yiu_...@cable.comcast.com>; Jason 
Livingood <jason_living...@comcast.com>).

Thanks!
Jason

On 9/30/20, 5:59 PM, "Int-area on behalf of Carsten Bormann" 
<int-area-boun...@ietf.org on behalf of c...@tzi.org> wrote:

    On 2020-09-30, at 19:16, Michael Richardson <mcr+i...@sandelman.ca> wrote:
    >
    > the
    > adversary

    There may be more than one.
    Of course, if you want to attack privacy, being Google or Facebook gives 
you unique opportunities.
    That doesn’t mean you don’t want to have a seat belt any more if you have 
lane-keeping assistance.

    Grüße, Carsten

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