Hmmm. I hear you. (But the number of iterations is actually only 1/16, right? 
X'20000' is 1/16 of X'200000', right?)

Here is the data extrapolated out to a constant number of iterations. (The 
ratio for ESTAEX no SNAPTRC appears to be wrong in Jim's numbers.)

Recovery            Iterations  CPU seconds  Ratio
----------------    ----------  -----------  -----
ESPIE               x'200000'      3.53        1.0
FRR                 x'200000'     45.66       12.9
ESTAEX (no SNAPTRC) x'200000'   1583.20      448.5 (28.0 is apparently wrong)
ESTAEX (SNAPTRC)    x'200000'  52648.96   14,914.7

Charles


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I saw the Ratio column. comparing lines 2 and 3 of the chart, the ratio doesn't 
make sense if the number of iterations for ESTAEX is only 1/10 of the number 
for FRR, yet it took over twice as long. Perhaps Jim will clarify.

On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 09:12:56 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>Look at the Ratio column for "normalized" numbers.
>
>ESPIE beats everything. That's the point. If (a.) all you need to trap is 
>program checks; and (b.) you expect a bunch of them -- use ESPIE.
>
>Charles
>
>
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>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
>Behalf Of Tom Marchant
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>
>The data presented shows that FRR is a lot better than ESTAE(X).
>Perhaps you overlooked the number of iterations.
>
>-- 
>Tom Marchant
>
>On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 10:23:33 +0300, Binyamin Dissen wrote:
>
>>Interesting numbers.
>>
>>But I looked at the current doc and it still appears to be problem state only.
>>
>>Also, do you numbers include setup or just program check handling? I figured
>>FRRs would be a lot better than ESTAE(X).
>>
>>On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 19:28:13 -0500 Jim Mulder <d10j...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>>
>>:> These are my results from a benchmark I did 4 years ago:
>>:>
>>:>Testcases which loop  recovering/retrying from an
>>:>operation exception.
>>:>Using default system trace size - 1MB per CPU,  with
>>:>20 CPUs, so 20MB of data to snap)
>>:>z13 machine
>>:>
>>:>Recovery            Iterations  CPU seconds  Ratio
>>:>----------------    ----------  -----------  -----
>>:>ESPIE               x'200000'      3.53        1.0
>>:>FRR                 x'200000'     45.66       12.9
>>:>ESTAEX (no SNAPTRC) x' 20000'     98.95       28.0
>>:>ESTAEX (SNAPTRC)    x'  1000'    102.83   14,914.7

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