Is this why you guys seem to have abandoned updating the filters for people
not paying for the premium anti-spam or using Imail 8.1x
http://support.ipswitch.com/kb/IM-20030513-DM01.htm
Last time these filters were updated was nearly two months ago on 10/12/2005
At 06:11 PM 11/8/2005, you wrote:
Hi All,
Regarding this, wanted to add some comments:
"I know, lots of you here in our club are not really a fan of the anti-spam
tools from IMail, but it works pretty good, thanks to our monster phrase
list and url block list."
<AntiSpamPlug>
We continue to update our standard antispam that is included with IMail
Server - glad to hear it's working well. We also offer Mail-Filters for our
premium antispam which is part of the coming soon IMail Secure Server.
Starting in a few weeks when IMail 2006 and IMail Secure Server 2006 ship,
you no longer have to purchase the full collaboration suite in order to get
premium antispam. Here is a link that provides more details about the
premium antispam.
http://www.ipswitch.com/products/collaboration/spam.asp
Our customers seem to be happy with the results but I invite other IMail
premium antispam customers to provide their own experiences. Customers
mostly turn on the antispam and let it run - very low maintenance. False
positive rate is about 1 in 500,000 and spam is recognized in 30 languages.
I personally have stopped filtering through my Spam folder (checking for
false positives) and some folks have actually removed the rule that
populates the Spam folder and instead deletes all mail marked as spam
straight away, automatically. Updates are delivered as frequently as every
10 minutes, 24x7x365.
As you might guess, having solid antispam protection is very important to
Ipswitch (and any company for that matter). As a software provider for 15
years, we send 10's of millions of emails every year, have active mailing
lists (such as this one), active forums, blogs, newsletters, etc. This all
adds up to Ipswitch getting hit with tons of spam every minute of every hour
of every day. We basically went out and looked for an antispam vendor that
we could use for Ipswitch and that we could offer to our customers that was
easy to configure and affordability and we think we have that now.
Feel free to ask any questions.
</AntiSpamPlug>
bye for now,
kg
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Martin Schaible
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:38 PM
To: John Carter
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Declude phrase format
Hi John,
> ex: "Don t eat green frog s" would match those other examples because it
views all of them as "Donteatgreenfrogs" ???
Nope, for that, normalization mus be turned on. And this is too dangerous
and generates tons of false/positives.
> One problem converting to Declude would be you would have to provide for
all the
> possible literal variations. I think this is what Imail does automatically
when you have
> Normalization OFF - or is ON; someone correct me if I am wrong on this.
IMail does a great job with this literal things with normalizing set to off.
Imagine, how many variants of some specific words you have to type in.
> Hate to say it, you might stick with Imail on at least this part of
anti-spam. They
> already have it programmed. (Lord, help me for saying this)
Yep, take a beer or two and relax.
> But if you want to
> follow-up and figure out the substutition logic, I could make an attempt
at a VB program to do the conversion.
Like i said before, maybe i have to run two antispam engines and maintain
two phrase sets until the old one is obsolet.
This depends also, how the future plans regarding the anti spam tools from
Ipswitch are.
I know, lots of you here in our club are not really a fan of the anti-spam
tools from IMail, but it works pretty good, thanks to our monster phrase
list and url block list.
The only problem is actually those silly spam mails containing a simple
image only. A third party anti spam tool would give me the oportunity the
serve our future SmarterMail customers too. Declude would be the product,
which runs on both products.
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Am Dienstag, 8. November 2005 um 02:02 schrieben Sie:
> I am sure it can't be this simple, but are you saying basically it is as
if the special characters are not even there?
> ex: "Don t eat green frog s" would match those other examples because it
views all of them as "Donteatgreenfrogs" ???
> One problem converting to Declude would be you would have to provide for
all the
> possible literal variations. I think this is what Imail does automatically
when you have
> Normalization OFF - or is ON; someone correct me if I am wrong on this.
> Hate to say it, you might stick with Imail on at least this part of
anti-spam. They
> already have it programmed. (Lord, help me for saying this) But if you
want to
> follow-up and figure out the substutition logic, I could make an attempt
at a VB program to do the conversion.
> John
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: Martin Schaible <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com
> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 00:28:15 +0100
>>Hi,
>>> I'm not familiar with the Imail phrase list.
>>The rules are quite simple. IMail treats the characters
;:,&.%!{}|?<>[]()"_-+*\~`/=^'$@ special. Let's say the phrase "Don t eat
green frog s" would match:
>>"Don t eat green frog s"
>>"Don_t{!eat green frog<<s"
>>As you know, spammers are masking words with special characters.
>>Now we have a big list with phrases, matching this rules. So, we have to
find a way, that this phrases can be used or converted for a different anti
spam software like Declude.
>>The problem we have: mail servers from our customers are downloading our
files on regular bases. This gives us some income ;-)
>>IMail has not troubles to handle a 300000 record file at all.
>>Maybe i have to face the reality and we have to use two anti-spam programs
for a while.
>>Any ideas are welcome.
>>============================================
>>Am Montag, 7. November 2005 um 23:44 schrieben Sie:
>>> I'm not familiar with the Imail phrase list.
>>> But having a Declude filter with 350000 records wouldn't be a good
thing.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Martin Schaible" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "IMail Forum" <IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 3:37 PM
>>> Subject: [IMail Forum] Declude phrase format
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Some month ago, i asked the guys from declude, if the phrase filter
file
>>>> from IMail can be converted to the format of declude.
>>>> As you know, IMail treats special characters a bit special.
>>>> The guy from Declude told me, that a conversion is not possible. He
also
>>>> told me, that maybe a migration software can be programmed. He asked,
on
>>>> how many servers this would run. My answer was "30". After that, i
never
>>>> heard anything...
>>>> So, did anybody migrate the phrase list from IMail to declude? The
reason
>>>> why i asking is this: Declude would allow to serve IMail and
SmarterMail
>>>> with our phrasefilter (about 350000 records).
>>>> Thanks
>>>> --
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