Would like to add that the area of land on which *Valerianella locusta *is 
cultivated in France exceeds 8000 hectares (128,000 kanals.)

On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 1:29:20 PM UTC+5:30 taffa...@gmail.com wrote:

> One more photo of cultivation in Nantes region of France. (photo 
> CClicense-Attribution -Non Commercial- No dervatives}
> *(Attribution: *
>  
> *Estelle Nododus. Dépérissement de la mâche (Valerianella locusta) en 
> région nantaise : étiologie du dépérissement, caractérisation des 
> Pythiacées impliquées et recherche de premières options de protection. 
> Sciences agricoles. 2016. ffdumas-01391964O)*
>
> Of the 40.000 tonnes produced annually in France 30,000 tonnes are 
> produced in Nantes region.
> The climate of Kashmir Valley too is ideal for growing it and some 
> entrepreneur may find it profitable to introduce it as an exotic salad in 
> India. Th Agriculture Department of  J & K should in my opinion should try 
> to promote it as in winter and early spring most fields lie fallow and it 
> can be grown as a second crop.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 2:39:36 PM UTC+5:30 taffa...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Three more photos of plants in full bloom.
>> As usual all my posts are under CC License(attribution only required).
>> Regards
>>
>> On Friday, April 12, 2024 at 8:44:05 PM UTC+5:30 Shakir Ahmad wrote:
>>
>>> Nice collection.... Thank you taffazul ji
>>>
>>> On Fri, 12 Apr, 2024, 5:18 pm taffa...@gmail.com, <taffa...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As requested by Shakir Ji am posting photos of plants in bloom. The 
>>>> plants are in bloom much sooner than I anticipated. For more details see 
>>>> my 
>>>> last years post.
>>>> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 5:59:13 PM UTC+5:30 Shakir Ahmad wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Okk sir... Thank you🌹
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 11 Apr, 2024, 5:56 pm taffa...@gmail.com, <taffa...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Shakir Ji,
>>>>>> Had posted photos of flowers last year in my main post where you can 
>>>>>> see them.
>>>>>> Will post them again when the plants are in full bloom.
>>>>>> I think will take a week or two.
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 5:48:59 PM UTC+5:30 Shakir Ahmad wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kindly share photos in flowering 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Apr, 2024, 5:45 pm taffa...@gmail.com, <
>>>>>>> taffa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A photo of a patch of Lambs lettuce / Corn salad (*V.locusta*} 
>>>>>>>> self sown from seeds fallen from the plants whose photo I had posted 
>>>>>>>> last 
>>>>>>>> year photographed on 2nd April. At this stage they were ideal for use 
>>>>>>>> as a 
>>>>>>>> salad. Today (11th April) they have started flowering. As in early 
>>>>>>>> spring 
>>>>>>>> fields in Kashmir valley lie fallow it can be introduced as a 
>>>>>>>> profitable 
>>>>>>>> crop in Kashmir. Unfortunately the seeds are not available in India. 
>>>>>>>> When I 
>>>>>>>> found Lamb's Lettuce seeds advertised on Amazon I placed an order and 
>>>>>>>> received lettuce seeds instead. Again I found Corn Salad advertised on 
>>>>>>>> Flipkart but received Corn(Maize) seeds instead. I would request the 
>>>>>>>> agriculture department of the UT to import the seeds and start its 
>>>>>>>> cultivation here as the climate is ideal for its cultivation here and 
>>>>>>>> it 
>>>>>>>> could be a valuable exotic plant. I tasted the leaves and found they 
>>>>>>>> have a 
>>>>>>>> slight mucilaginous texture very different from that of ordinary 
>>>>>>>> salads 
>>>>>>>> like lettuce
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 8:48:28 PM UTC+5:30 taffa...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As* V.locusta *has been reported only from Srinagar  first by 
>>>>>>>>> Gurcharan ji and then by me in my post and as it is a popular salad 
>>>>>>>>> in 
>>>>>>>>> Europe I think that plants in Srinagar could have been introduced by 
>>>>>>>>> British officers during British rule especially those with a taste 
>>>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>>>> French cuisine where it is  served under the name *Doucette *and* 
>>>>>>>>> Raiponce.*
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Taffazull
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 12:39:18 PM UTC+5:30 J.M. Garg wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Surprising *Valerianella locusta *is not listed in the area as 
>>>>>>>>>> per POWO 
>>>>>>>>>> <https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:859937-1>
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> and CoL 
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/annual-checklist/2019/details/species/id/59b0f85b5f385d6a4372a523c76aa621>
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>> However, BSI 
>>>>>>>>>> <https://efloraindia.bsi.gov.in/eFlora/speciesList_PCL.action?resultType=genusWise&parent_Id=29083&parent_Name=valerianella>
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> lists this species along with 3 others.
>>>>>>>>>> Pl. see and analyse. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Jun 2023 at 15:18, taffa...@gmail.com <
>>>>>>>>>> taffa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am attaching an1885 illustration of the plant which is in the 
>>>>>>>>>>> public domain and which is very helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>> *Attribution:* Public Domain, 
>>>>>>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=8666
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Taffazull
>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 3:15:49 PM UTC+5:30 
>>>>>>>>>>> taffa...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some interesting facts from a Wikipedia article about this herb:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Its common European names are *lamb's lettuce, common 
>>>>>>>>>>>> cornsalad, *or simply *cornsalad, mâche (/mɑːʃ/), fetticus, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> feldsalat, nut lettuce, field salad and valerian salad. *In 
>>>>>>>>>>>> restaurants that feature *French cuisine*, it may be called 
>>>>>>>>>>>> *doucette 
>>>>>>>>>>>> *or *raiponce*.In some areas in Germany it is called *Rapunzel 
>>>>>>>>>>>> *and is the origin of the long haired lady's name in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> famous fairy tale. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding its use as a vegetable it is written that:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "*It has been eaten in Britain for centuries and appears in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> John Gerard's Herbal of 1597. It was grown commercially in London 
>>>>>>>>>>>> from the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> late 18th or early 19th century and appeared on markets as a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> winter 
>>>>>>>>>>>> vegetable, but it only became available in modern supermarkets 
>>>>>>>>>>>> there in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1980s. American president Thomas Jefferson cultivated mâche at his 
>>>>>>>>>>>> home.*
>>>>>>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the plants were introduced in Srinagar during British 
>>>>>>>>>>>> rule.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Its cultivation and promotion as an exotic vegetable can be an 
>>>>>>>>>>>> attractive proposition for enterprising entrepreneurs in Kashmir.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> Taffazull
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 11:28:32 AM UTC+5:30 Shakir Ahmad 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Gurcharan ji!! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jun, 2023, 10:47 am taffa...@gmail.com, <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> taffa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Gurcharan ji,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the correct I.D. and the attached paper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is surely * Valerianella  locusta *and not valerian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope the photos add to efloraofindia collection as I did not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find any photos there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The calyx lobes in ripe fruit(photo attached) have a single 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tooth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With sincere regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taffazull
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:22:29 AM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not Valeriana rather Valerianella. Check for V. locusta, I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had recorded it as new record in India in 1974, paper attached.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 10:12:39 AM UTC+5:30 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taffa...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Shakir ji,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the ID.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However  according to Wikipedia Valerians have trifoliate 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pinnate leaves with serrated edges but here leaves are entire 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .Veins are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not prominent (very different from leaves in *V.himalayana 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *photo at EFI). Also branching appears to be dichotomous 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (See attached photo).Also altitude of Rawathpora is about1600 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meters  while *V.himalayana  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *according to FOP occurs at 3000-5000m asl. Perhaps 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identification of the species would bring more clarity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taffazull
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 10:30:00 PM UTC+5:30 Shakir 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ahmad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valeriana sp. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 4:14:41 PM UTC+5:30 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taffa...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear members,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please help ID this herb which has some peculiar features 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as mentioned below:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habitat: Edge of lawn in Rawathpora Srinagar. Almost all 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> photos were taken in either the last week of April or first 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> half of May
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit : Herb with green stem 10-15 cm high. L eaves 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opposite about 5-6mm broad X 12 -15mm long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Branching cymose. Inflorescence is compact and probably 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cymose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some peculiar features:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.Calyx gamosepalous with five lobes three narrow 0.5mmX 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.5mm and two broad 0.5mm X1.5 mm. The calyx is fused with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ovary and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can not be separated from it. The lobes can be clearly seen 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in fruit( See 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> photo 5 and photo8).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.The Corolla has 5 lobes 0.5mm long and Corolla Tube is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.5mm long and becomes very narrow at the bottom and seems 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be attached 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directly to upper part of the ovary . In my limited 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience this is the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first time I have seen a corolla tube attached to the upper 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ovary.( (See photo 4,photo 5 and photo 6)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. The style is so thin and transparent that it is barely 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visible but when see seen with a microscope(X50) is clearly 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trifid (See 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> photo 7). The filaments of the 5 stamens are also very thin, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transparent 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and barely visible. Because of the narrowness of the corolla 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tube in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lower portion I could not ascertain the point of attachment 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the stamens.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fruit seems to contain a single seed.(see photo 9)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taffazull
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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