Fellow Jess Users:
Another vote in STRONG favour of Eclipse:
As a long-time emacs user, I made the switch to Eclipse several months
ago. Eclipse rocks! After trying IDEA, JBuilder, VS.NET, NetBeans,
etc., I had given up on IDEs in general and resigned myself to being
of the old school (CVS commands, emacs, shell, make/ant, junit
cycling). My criteria for an IDE: intuitiveness. If I couldn't grok
the framework concept in 1-3 hours, then forget it.
Eclipse is very intuitive if you have used CVS, Ant, Java, JUnit in
the past. It has three basic concepts: perspectives, views, and
editors. Taking the guided tours found in the included Help
documentation was a big help! They are excellently written for
novices and experts. It has step-by-step exercises with screenshots
for both levels of users. I breezed through it in about 1.5 hours
(both the framework and PDT guides). Within 1-3 hours, I was even
writing a simple new plugin (see the CLIPS/Jess editor at
http://eclipse-plugins.2y.net/eclipse/plugin_details.jsp?id=322
which is Open Source and we hope to make it a SourceForge project
soon). Many of our developers quickly converted from other IDEs to
Eclipse in less than a week NOT because I told them to, but because
they wanted to switch!
Bottom line: Eclipse is the Emacs of tomorrow (you can quote me on
this and hold my feet to the fire in 5-10 years).
Just waiting for my Jess In Action book....
-- jack
John R. Callahan, Ph.D.
CTO
Sphere Software Corporation - Accelerating Business Automation
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On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 07:30:35AM -0500, Rich Halsey wrote:
> I also found the documentation on Eclipse to be something less than
> intuitive, so I went out to Borders and ordered the two books (that have
> been published to date). Learning Eclipse will be one of my "projects" over
> the next few weeks. It seems to be a good IDE (especially at the project
> level). The notion of buying an IDE for Java (which is free itself) is not
> very appealing, so I second the idea of using tools like Ecipse (after all,
> it has the backing of IBM).
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Owen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 3:52 PM
> Subject: RE: JESS: Open Source Java IDE
>
>
> > Well, a month later someone reads his back email and replies. (moi)
> > Never having used IDEA (but having used many, many other IDE programs
> > and editors) I found that paying $500 for some of these just to throw
> > them away a couple of years later OR to not be able to use them on the
> > next job because everyone had "standardized" on another tool, was not
> > really financially feasible.
> >
> > Let's see: IDEA is $499. Eclipse is free. Guess which wannabe I'll
> > use next time? :-)
> >
> > BTW, for those looking around, Eclipse is not really intuitive. It
> > takes a bit of getting used to in order to use effectively. However,
> > once you get the basics down, it's great. I was forced to use Eclipse
> > on a recent job where they used all of the free software that they could
> > get (yes, Richard, that one) and after a month or so, I really liked it.
> > Still use it for my personal projects.
> >
> > SDG
> > jco
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 9:39 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: JESS: Open Source Java IDE
> >
> > I think sorokinru wrote:
> > > Hello jess-users,
> > >
> > > I understand that this question is not quite correct, but I whant to
> > > know jess-users opinion that I rate much highly. Shortly, what is a
> > > best free open-source Java IDE?
> > >
> >
> >
> > Eclipse (www.eclipse.org) is the best open-source IDE, without
> > question. The editor is very nice and very smart, and it has good
> > integration with JUnit, Ant, and CVS right out of the box.
> >
> > Eclipse is, however, really just a wan imitation of IntelliJ IDEA
> > (www.intellij.com.) The one place where Eclipse is better than IDEA is
> > in the availability of third-party extensions (plug-ins) -- there are
> > many more available for Eclipse. But in terms of core functionality,
> > IDEA reigns.
> >
>
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