Present:
+ Norbert, David, Stephan, Cedric, Thorsten,
Andras, Bjoern, Rainer, Michael, Kohei, Caolan
+ Completed Action Items
+ get Bjoern setup with a vhost for gerrit (Thorsten / Christian)
+ playground already constructed / public:
at https://gerrit-test.libreoffice.org
+ close bug-voting with wontfix + rational (Rainer)
+ in-progress: get bugzilla query wrt. master regressions to Michael
(Rainer)
+ check and enable new RTF import in master by default (Cedric)
+ fixup qa list configuration (Thorsten)
+ send Loic some ideas / design / interface work for bug filing
(Michael)
+ Pending Action Items
+ default to TM safe (non-TDF) branding (Thorsten)
+ enable on-line updates for QA for dailies ... (Kendy)
+ write substance of what is needed wrt. the extensions
& templates announce & send to Florian (Andreas)
+ New extensions website: publish / tdf blog (Florian)
+ publicise / aggregate our list of ODF proposals / extensions
(Thorsten)
* Agenda items
+ pending action items
+ Munich hack-fest report / roundup (Thorsten)
+ hack-fest page achivements:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest2011#Achievements
+ wonderful, friendly, social atmosphere
+ too many people to fit in the room (30+)
+ several companies represented + Munich Gov't
+ patches from new contributors, some adding to their
existing translating / documentation skills.
+ great infrastructure provision - icecream / server
+ some good UI designer <-> hacker interactions
+ hope for hosting an identical event next year
+ Many thanks to: The City of Munich + DBI GmbH
+ bus factor issues wrt. scattered projects ...
+ concern Fridrich + Kohei hit by a bus & their
external projects.
AA: + mail details for new repo setup (for libtextcat) to Michael
(Caolan)
+ benefits of controlling review (Kohei)
+ also of branding & separation (Kohei)
+ problems of fixing: commit, release, up-load, etc. (Michael)
+ concern mostly around maintainership handover (Caolan)
AA: + give mdds website / commit rights out more diversly (Kohei)
+ Cor's considerations on release timing
+ existing schedule is here:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#3.5_release
+ very vague, lots of factors and no data / heuristics
(Thorsten)
+ could try a slushy feature-freeze on master around an
earlier release with new features (Norbert)
+ some new features have good QA coupling with their own
builds eg. Jean Baptiste (Cedric)
+ lots of reasons already provided why next time would be
better quality-wise than last time (Michael)
+ not too late to discuss at the conference and move
freeze dates by a week or two (Norbert)
+ always a trade-off between quality, community fun,
pace of development (Michael)
+ (default) internal gnumake re-hash ... (Michael)
+ having bootstrap make build is painful (Norbert)
+ not having it on the default path reduces usage (Michael)
+ on Linux performance gain not justified (Bjoern)
+ on Windows - there are big wins - fewer deps (Bjoern)
+ why not add it for windows-only ? (Bjoern)
+ have a binary that we just download (Thorsten)
+ dangers of having a fork of the build-tool (Thorsten)
+ slow in standard make - fix: get it up-stream (Stephan)
+ complexity added into the core breaks the idea
of having a 'pure' configure / make in future (Norbert)
+ risk of depending on and maintaining a new custom 'make',
combined with concern about continuing to require bootstrap,
is more significant than -any- magnitude of developer
productivity hit for new developers too unaware / lazy
to download custom tools. (Bjoern, Stephan, Norbert)
+ unreliable vs reliable, slow vs. fast tests (Stephan)
+ subsequenttests - not ideal, but lots of them
+ problem: they require a complete LibreOffice install
+ problem: they connect via UNO => poor error reporting &
debugging
+ some rare / intermittent issues running tests & crashes
during shutdown
+ discovered a number of bugs & regressions cleaning them
up so they now run.
+ plan - to include into tinderboxes; problem if sporadic
errors are hit, so run a second time.
+ is there a risk of hanging ? (Norbert)
+ much more annoying than crashes => spam mail
+ no known hanging failures (Stephan)
+ timeouts telltale sign of underlying brokenness (Thorsten)
+ first get it into a state where it is reliable (Stephan)
+ enable slowly per platform - Linux+Solaris, not so crashy
Windows rather more random crashes
+ lots of circular links & during-shutdown crashes fixed
(Caolan)
+ first connect it up, don't have re-tries on failure and then
see if it fails (Caolan)
+ could run and log the results, but not mail people (Bjoern)
+ should: re-consider as/when tinderboxes are ready; let
tinderbox users decided whether to run them (Consensus)
+ Release mgmt (Petr)
+ concern wrt. bugs in master - need some focus there
+ no more releases until after the conference
+ QA update (Rainer)
+ daily builds for windows - much appreciated & very useful
+ master in v. good shape currently modulo a few annoying bugs
+ eg. PDF export from writer completely broken
+ monthly bug hunting session last week:
+ not so successful
+ Loic doing great work on bugzilla assistant / flow
+ agreed on new design / draft.
+ lots of help-texts needed
+ require a "report a bug" item in the help menu
as/when it is ready.
+ proto. conference schedule feedback (Michael)
+ requests for hack-fest / space - but no time ?
+ some conflicts & one potential talk merge.
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