Thank you, John. I agree. I support the work of the Housing Choice Committee, the selects and RLF on implementing the housing choice act so that it fits Lincoln. The presentation at the state of the town was impressive and showed hundreds of hours of high quality thought and work.
We have good bylaws and regulations that will ensure good results. 40% of our town is in conservation. And we protect our wetlands. Joan Kimball On Tue, Oct 3, 2023, 9:30 PM John Mendelson <johntmendel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sad to say the congestion ship has already sailed as people have been > forced, due to the high cost of housing, to move further and further from > work only to spend hours in their cars commuting each day. Many of them > cutting through Lincoln. Many people who work in Lincoln cannot afford to > live here. > > If we choose to nothing, we are part of the problem, not the solution. > Plus, we risk losing Donelan’s and critical grant money from the state. > > By increasing density in what is already a commercial district replete > with lots of empty asphalt parking lots and tired buildings, at least we > make a positive step toward increasing potential ridership of the commuter > rail and improving the walkability of our town for more residents. > > John > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2023, 9:16 PM Robert Ahlert <robahl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Margaret - Can you give us the same calculation but use sq feet instead >> of units? Perhaps the units are a lot smaller at Lincoln Woods? What is >> the sq ft per acre (net) at Lincoln woods vs Oriole Landing? >> >> I still believe we are looking at a bunch of Oriole Landings (nice >> buildings on their own actually) in town and a lot cars. >> >> Guess we’ll see with Mall proposal (85 units, sq footage?) and we can >> extrapolate from there before the up/down vote in March. >> >> We will adjust to the congestion but will we still want to live here? My >> guess is this will become a turn-over town like many towns in New Jersey >> where people put up For Sale signs on high school graduation day. >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 8:43 PM Margaret Olson <s...@margaretolson.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The net density shown on the HCA working group slides is this math: >>> >>> (unit count) / (lot size- wetlands - conservation restrictions) = "HCA >>> density" >>> (unit count) / (lot size) = traditional net density >>> >>> For Oriole landing these numbers are: >>> (60 acre lot)/ (6 acre lot - 0 wetlands acres - 0 acres with >>> conservation restrictions) = 10 units/acre >>> In the Oriole Landing case the "HCA Density" and the traditional net >>> density are the same. >>> >>> For Lincoln Woods these numbers are: >>> "HCA Density": 20 acre lot - 13 acres of wetland - 0 acres with >>> conservation restrictions / 125 units = 17.9 units per acre >>> traditional net density: 20 acre lot / 125 units = 6.3 units per acre >>> >>> Note that Lincoln Woods has two apartment buildings as well as the >>> townhouses that dominate the view from Lincoln Road. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 7:57 PM Robert Ahlert <robahl...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Would it be ok if I called Utile? Can someone provide me a contact? >>>> >>>> Sorry but am dubious that Lincoln Woods (2 stories) with some gaps >>>> between structures is higher “net” density than Oriole Landing (3 stories) >>>> with net density of 10 per the presentation. If you don’t explain, we >>>> should all be in doubt. >>>> >>>> My fear is that we will end up with larger Oriole Landings and many >>>> more of them. Is this what Lincoln is really all about? What is the upside? >>>> Busier stores? I don’t get it. >>>> >>>> CCBC might be more money out of my pocket but I can live with that. >>>> Quality of life is irreplaceable. >>>> >>>> I fully understand that our hand was forced by the state and that they >>>> really over stepped here. Not blaming the Working Group. They are doing >>>> best in bad situation. >>>> >>>> Rob A >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 5:56 PM Margaret Olson <s...@margaretolson.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That article uses a somewhat different definition of gross density and >>>>> refers to the state’s highly complicated set of calculations. Any zoning >>>>> regulation we pass will be net density, as are our current zoning bylaws. >>>>> Utile, the consultants we hired to help us with this ( using state grant >>>>> money) have run the calculations on our proposed zoning options to ensure >>>>> we will comply. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 5:06 PM Robert Ahlert <robahl...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Margaret - according to this article, we are required to follow a >>>>>> gross density calculation. That’s why I’m afraid that image might be >>>>>> accurate. Can someone explain? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://commonwealthmagazine.org/opinion/solving-the-mbta-communities-zoning-puzzle/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, does anyone know the answer as to whether each property owner >>>>>> can sell out separately to separate developers? I don’t think there are >>>>>> any >>>>>> requirements regarding who they sell to and when. Might need a couple >>>>>> extra >>>>>> headcount in the planning department to deal with the proposals. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rob A >>>>>> 185 Lincoln Rd, Lincoln, MA 01773 >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/185+Lincoln+Rd,+Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 3:39 PM Margaret Olson <s...@margaretolson.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We are protected largely by the nature of our land and previous land >>>>>>> use measures. The conservation land and wetlands can not be built on. >>>>>>> As a >>>>>>> practical matter there is no place around the train station where >>>>>>> anything >>>>>>> even vaguely resembling that image could be built. Issaquah Highlands is >>>>>>> 2,200 acres and 4,000 homes, and that image appears to be a schematic >>>>>>> showing the types of housing they have. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once again I urge you to look at the images of our existing >>>>>>> developments shown in the HCA Working group presentation ( >>>>>>> https://www.lincolntown.org/DocumentCenter/View/85116). That >>>>>>> illustrates what 17 and 18 units per acre look like* in Lincoln.* >>>>>>> A giant 2000+ acre development is not going to look like Lincoln - and >>>>>>> can't be built here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 11:16 AM Sara Mattes <samat...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So how are we protected from this happening ? >>>>>>>> I might have missed something. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>>> Sara Mattes >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2023, at 10:38 AM, Margaret Olson <s...@margaretolson.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you subtract the wetlands from the Lincoln Woods density, as we >>>>>>>> are required to do for the HCA calculations, the density is 17.9 units >>>>>>>> per >>>>>>>> acre. It’s that 17.9 that you experience as you walk around Lincoln >>>>>>>> Woods. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As those of you who attended the STOTT presentations may remember, >>>>>>>> of the 500 acres around the train station 340 (all but 160) are >>>>>>>> excluded >>>>>>>> from HCA calculations because they are wetlands, institutions, water >>>>>>>> bodies, or conservation land. To get a sense of what 15 units per acre >>>>>>>> looks like in Lincoln please look at the examples in the STOTT >>>>>>>> presentation >>>>>>>> and look at the density that accounts for the HCA exclusions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 8:32 PM ٍSarah Postlethwait < >>>>>>>> sa...@bayhas.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lincoln woods is 6.3 units per acre >>>>>>>>> Proposed Lincoln center zoning is 25 units per acre >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <image_123650291.JPG> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 7:47 PM John Mendelson < >>>>>>>>> johntmendel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I had the good fortune of attending the tour of Lincoln Woods put >>>>>>>>>> on by FOMA yesterday after taking part in the State of the Town >>>>>>>>>> Meeting on >>>>>>>>>> Saturday. See: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.fomalincoln.org/outreach >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This densely built, multi-family development is anything but >>>>>>>>>> "gross." In fact, I think it is quite the opposite and in many ways, >>>>>>>>>> represents the best of Lincoln in terms of its ideals, collaborative >>>>>>>>>> problem solving, and honoring the town's history of supporting >>>>>>>>>> modern, >>>>>>>>>> human scale dwellings. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should continue to trust the many volunteers who've >>>>>>>>>> put so much time in coming up with a terrific solution to both >>>>>>>>>> comply with >>>>>>>>>> the Housing Choice Act and to honor our history and values rather >>>>>>>>>> than to >>>>>>>>>> fearmonger with words and images that don't represent the good work >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> intentions of many residents. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023, 7:14 PM Sara Mattes <samat...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> OK-can someone do that for the proposed area in S.Lincoln? >>>>>>>>>>> The example offered by Robert Albert was alarming, and certainly >>>>>>>>>>> NOT something I would like to see. >>>>>>>>>>> Had I had such a visual at SoTT, I would voted for “None of the >>>>>>>>>>> Above”, but would have indicated I would support a map that shrank >>>>>>>>>>> the size >>>>>>>>>>> of the S.Lincoln district to focus on the Mall, and maybe Lewis >>>>>>>>>>> Street, >>>>>>>>>>> and then include the Lincoln North + Battle Road Farm to make up the >>>>>>>>>>> difference. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps such modeling as seen in the post could better educate >>>>>>>>>>> the likes of me as to what S.Lincoln might look like under each >>>>>>>>>>> scenario? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know the assertion is that this will take decades to build >>>>>>>>>>> out, and that is my concern. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I want to leave Lincoln the wonderful, small town I fell in love >>>>>>>>>>> with over 45 years ago. >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, there have been and will be changes, but the density and >>>>>>>>>>> intensity suggested is not what I would like to visit on future >>>>>>>>>>> generations. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>>>>>> Sara Mattes >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2023, at 9:49 AM, Don Seltzer <timon...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is an excellent online tool called Residensity which >>>>>>>>>>> provides an interactive map for viewing actual residential density >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> towns, neighborhoods, and individual parcels. >>>>>>>>>>> https://residensity.mhp.net/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Don Seltzer >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 8:27 AM Robert Ahlert < >>>>>>>>>>> robahl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all - >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As we start to think about what this build out is going to look >>>>>>>>>>>> like, it is useful to look at a couple articles that help >>>>>>>>>>>> visualize it. >>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I learned that density can be spread across a district or >>>>>>>>>>>> sub-district, only the average needs to be 15 units. But with the >>>>>>>>>>>> 36' high >>>>>>>>>>>> maximum in town, it will be interesting to see what the designs >>>>>>>>>>>> are. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://mrsc.org/stay-informed/mrsc-insight/april-2017/visualizing-compatible-density >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Scroll down in the above and you will get to some ideas about >>>>>>>>>>>> 15 units per acre. Given some plots have wetlands, some will have >>>>>>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>>>>> higher and others lower to make it average out. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This assumes each property owner in the district/sub districts >>>>>>>>>>>> sells-out at the same time. If they don't, i guess each developer >>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>> come up with their own design? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <image.png> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> *Robert Ahlert* | *781.738.1069* | robahl...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >> -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > . > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. > >
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