Can you please cite what is substantiated and by what means? On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 10:12 AM Bob Kupperstein <bobk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 3:59 PM Bijoy Misra <misra.bi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> ... *The overwhelming voice is to exclude the Lincoln* >> *station area until a full analysis is done.* >> > ... > >> Best regards, >> Bijoy Misra >> >> > I believe this to be completely unsubstantiated. > > It may be the view of the loudest/most persistent voices on LT, but AFAIK > there isn't any poll that shows a *majority* view to exclude Lincoln > Station (or anything else to do with the HCA). > > -Bob > > > >> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 10:19 AM DJCP <djcp0...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> First, I did not say I wanted people from other towns flocking here. I >>> said the opposite. >>> >>> Second, I would love to maintain the rural character of Lincoln, too, >>> but the fact is we have a severe housing shortage not just in Massachusetts >>> but across the country. Families who work full time, multiple jobs cannot >>> afford apartments, much less condos or homes. There are people looking to >>> step into home ownership who can't because they are priced out. The >>> Massachusetts shelter system is full, not just from refugees and >>> immigrants, but from people who cannot find housing, no matter how much >>> assistance they have. So, yes, even luxury condos would help. (Though I >>> see the town's commendable track record of negotiating a higher level of >>> affordable housing and trust them to continue to do the same.) But it is >>> also true that Lincoln's exclusionary zoning - which has maintained the >>> rural character we love - has contributed to the housing crisis. Lastly, >>> I would love more taxpayers to come to town because in the end I am also a >>> capitalist and would like to see my taxes go down. So I can buy berries >>> for my kids with abandon. >>> >>> Diana >>> Giles Rd >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 9:45 AM gail o'keefe <gailoke...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Why on earth would we want people from other towns flocking to Lincoln >>>> for their groceries?? The beauty of Lincoln's current commercial area is it >>>> provides just what the town needs, and not more. This is an environmentally >>>> sound model, if not one for thriving capitalism. Lincoln's affordable >>>> housing can be expanded without giving up control to developers. >>>> >>>> Many people move to Lincoln specifically to avoid the traffic and >>>> commercial pressures that are evident in neighboring towns, once >>>> beautifully semi-rural, now overbuilt with strip malls. Lincoln has been >>>> preserved over the decades by careful planning and zoning. >>>> >>>> As an example of developer-friendly zoning, Lexington has long had >>>> commercial zoning in the center, yet there are empty storefronts and over a >>>> dozen random banks. There are only two restaurants that have lasted over >>>> the years, dozens have shuttered. Zoning for the benefit of developers >>>> doesn't guarantee businesses will come, or stay. Belmont is also struggling >>>> with empty storefronts, it is happening across the region. Developers come >>>> and go, but residents are left with the developers' decisions, rarely based >>>> on the long term goals of the town. This is not a good model for Lincoln. >>>> If Lincoln cedes control to developers, it is in perpetuity, it can't be >>>> reversed. >>>> >>>> Many in town hope that the working group of the HCA ruling will slow >>>> the process, take the necessary time to address the concerns of the >>>> townspeople, and allow alternative choices on the ballot. >>>> >>>> Gail O'Keefe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 8:14 AM DJCP <djcp0...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The best way to make sure commercial stays commercial is to make the >>>>> businesses viable and the best way to do that is to make sure there are >>>>> people shopping there. Sorry but people from other towns are not flocking >>>>> to Lincoln to buy $10 pints of strawberries from Donelans. And I've only >>>>> been here 5 years and have noticed the string of restaurants that have >>>>> tried to fill the ONE space. Whether we make any changes there's no >>>>> guarantee these businesses will stick around. That's capitalism folks. But >>>>> we can help by AT LEAST zoning for more housing in the area. >>>>> >>>>> Diana >>>>> Giles Rd >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023, 8:08 AM Peter Buchthal <pbucht...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Along similar lines, how can the town ensure commercial space stays >>>>>> commercial as the new owners could easily decide to raise very high or >>>>>> not >>>>>> renew any commercial lease in order to build more luxury residential >>>>>> units >>>>>> by right as long as the project has unused housing units within the >>>>>> zoning >>>>>> allotment. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter Buchthal >>>>>> Weston Rd >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 12:27 PM David Cuetos <davidcue...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> How can the RLF guarantee that any particular commercial space will >>>>>>> remain once they sell the land to Civico? Are they planning to include >>>>>>> a requirement for a supermarket in the deed? Anything else would just >>>>>>> be a >>>>>>> "recommendation". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 6:09 PM Margo Fisher-Martin < >>>>>>> margo.fisher.mar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We know that a zoning change does not “dictate” that anything be >>>>>>>> built or changed, but we also know that major changes WILL happen in >>>>>>>> Lincoln, should this pass. Do any of you remember many years ago when >>>>>>>> zoning changes were made that impacted any changes an owner could make >>>>>>>> (as >>>>>>>> much as a bay window) without ZBA approval on pre-existing >>>>>>>> non-conforming >>>>>>>> lots? Some people who are pushing for the re-zoning here are the same >>>>>>>> people that tried to instill the fear of “mansionisation” should we >>>>>>>> allow >>>>>>>> any changes to homes on less than 2 acre lots. At town meeting, they >>>>>>>> showed >>>>>>>> pictures of dense mid-rise housing from other towns to scare people >>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>> taking away the rights of the pre-existing (grandfathered) >>>>>>>> non-conforming >>>>>>>> lot owners. Now some of these same people are advocating for providing >>>>>>>> similar dense mid-rise housing that they were adamantly opposed to. >>>>>>>> What >>>>>>>> happened to the “stewards of the land?” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Margo Martin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 5:27 PM Margaret Olson < >>>>>>>> s...@margaretolson.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Michelle Barnes from the RLF can confirm, but I believe Donelan's >>>>>>>> will remain after the mall redevelopment. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A reminder: zoning affects what the property owner has a right to >>>>>>>> do with their property. It does not dictate that anything be built or >>>>>>>> changed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 4:38 PM Terri via Lincoln < >>>>>>>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If I am reading the rezoning plans correctly.... the Reducition >>>>>>>>> in retail includes eliminating Donelans and the Bank. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is this correct? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Theresa K >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 11:25:26 AM EST, Sara Mattes < >>>>>>>>>> samat...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is the alternative for the nation area to fill it with dense >>>>>>>>>> housing, while we are told there will be reduction in retail? >>>>>>>>>> And, that housing will only reflect the wealth gap-only 10% >>>>>>>>>> affordable, and the rest, high-end? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What happened to the concept of a “vibrant commercial center?” >>>>>>>>>> What happened to a “walkable village?” >>>>>>>>>> What will everyone walk to as retail is reduced? >>>>>>>>>> Each other's units? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let us be more creative in what we can develop. >>>>>>>>>> As Ken has suggested, we have done it in the past. >>>>>>>>>> We seem to have lost our mojo. >>>>>>>>>> Let’s get it back. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The HCA is NOT the answer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>>>>> Sara Mattes >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2023, at 10:55 AM, Ken Hurd <kenh...@keha.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello LincolnTalkers, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> During the discussion on the Zoom forum hosted by the HCAWG on >>>>>>>>>> Wednesday evening, I mentioned the recently released report on the >>>>>>>>>> history >>>>>>>>>> of exclusionary zoning in the Boston area. And also, for those of >>>>>>>>>> you who >>>>>>>>>> couldn’t stay to see it following the Wednesday morning forum at >>>>>>>>>> Town Hall, >>>>>>>>>> below is the link to hear the presentation sponsored by The Boston >>>>>>>>>> Foundation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Unless we know our history, it is known that history has a >>>>>>>>>> tendency to repeat itself. With respect to objections raised to the >>>>>>>>>> options >>>>>>>>>> offered by the Housing Choice Working Group, I do hope that current >>>>>>>>>> residents can follow the example of earlier Lincoln leaders from the >>>>>>>>>> 1970’s >>>>>>>>>> who worked with, rather than against, the 40B mandate from the state >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> provide more affordable housing. That, and their efforts to >>>>>>>>>> preserve land >>>>>>>>>> in a way that could be shared with others, made Lincoln a model >>>>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>>>> that attracted national attention. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With the Housing Choice Act, there is no less an opportunity to >>>>>>>>>> combine our responsibility to provide more housing in the greater >>>>>>>>>> Boston >>>>>>>>>> region with helping to revive the ailing Lincoln Station area. >>>>>>>>>> After all, >>>>>>>>>> given our current manner of approving development around Lincoln >>>>>>>>>> Station >>>>>>>>>> and the fact that there has been no interest by developers in doing >>>>>>>>>> so for >>>>>>>>>> the past eighteen years, even with more favorable economic >>>>>>>>>> conditions, why >>>>>>>>>> should we expect anything different other than more empty spaces >>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>> for lease going forward? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I urge us to affirm the work of the Working Group to fulfill the >>>>>>>>>> spirit of the Housing Choice Act by supporting Option C, including >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> rezoning of the mall, to address this conundrum. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here is the link to the report: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Exclusionary by Design: An Investigation of Zoning’s Use as a >>>>>>>>>> Tool of Race, Class, and Family Exclusion in Boston’s Suburbs, 1920 >>>>>>>>>> to Today >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.tbf.org/news-and-insights/videos/2023/november/exclusionary-by-design-20231108> >>>>>>>>>> tbf.org >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.tbf.org/news-and-insights/videos/2023/november/exclusionary-by-design-20231108> >>>>>>>>>> <tbfico.png> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.tbf.org/news-and-insights/videos/2023/november/exclusionary-by-design-20231108> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.tbf.org/news-and-insights/videos/2023/november/exclusionary-by-design-20231108> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>>>>>> Ken Hurd >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 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