Zoning changes do not invalidate other regulations or laws. To change the use of municipal land requires a 2/3 vote by town meeting. Note that both commuter lots are already in the existing Village Center overlay district. The base zoning for the paid commuter lot is B-1, the base zoning for the resident commuter lot is B-2. You can see all of this by going to the town GIS and turning on the zoning layers.
On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 3:45 PM Scott Clary <scottclar...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Chris, > > I don't believe this thread is suggesting that developing the town owned > commuter parking lot is imminent or has necessarily gone through > "legitimate" channels. > > When I used the word fact, I was using it in reference to Mark's commuter > rail parking criteria relative to other towns and Karla pointing out the > fact that a planning board member has publicly stated twice that he feels > the need to provide incentive to a developer in the form of allowing > housing on the town owned commuter rail parking lot. Correct me if I'm > wrong, but if this lot gets rezoned under HCA, it becomes developable by > right and two-thirds town meeting process is not part of the equation. And > we get zero credit towards HCA compliance. Whether one believes a planning > board members public comments are legitimate or not, I guess is up for > debate. > > Kind Regards, > > Scott Clary > 617-968-5769 > > Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2023, 2:57 PM Chris McCarthy <kb1...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Zoned under HCA or not as in Option E there are no facts to support that >> anyone has legitimately proposed to "get rid of" the town owned commuter >> lot. In fact, until we see an article brought before town meeting to vote >> (with 2/3rd majority) I'd say that even honest debate at public meetings >> still puts that possibility in the unlikely to somewhat unlikely category. >> >> This isn't a commentary on which option to choose, but if we are trying >> to set a baseline and stick to facts I'm always willing to be proven wrong. >> Perhaps this has come up in passing at some point but there are still >> hurdles to overcome before it could ever happen. And I don't believe the >> HCA would water many (any?) of those down regardless of what the town >> decides Dec 2nd. >> >> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023, 14:35 Scott Clary <scottclar...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Mark and Karla for this information based on fact. >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> Scott Clary >>> 617-968-5769 >>> >>> Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023, 12:29 PM Mark Levinson < >>> m...@voxmediaconsulting.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Getting rid of the town-owned commuter parking lot at Lincoln Station >>>> would blow up any claim by the proponents of redeveloping the Mall that one >>>> of their main goals is to promote the use of public transportation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The parking lot currently has 166 spaces (according to the MBTA web >>>> site: https://www.mbta.com/stops/place-FR-0167 ). Before the >>>> pandemic, the lot was mostly filled every weekday. If there were a, say >>>> 100 unit building erected on that site, I think it would be a stretch to >>>> assume even 25 daily commuter rail riders from that building. That would >>>> represent a reduction of more than 100 riders per day. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The numbers may be approximate, but the point is not: getting rid of >>>> the town commuter lot would be a big step backwards for public >>>> transportation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> BTW, there is an occasional, recurring red herring that pops up that if >>>> we don’t enable development of lots of new housing at Lincoln Station, >>>> there’s a risk that the MBTA will drop Lincoln as a commuter rail stop. >>>> The commuter rail lot is one clear reason why that won’t happen (as long as >>>> it remains). Together with the additional commuter rail parking on the >>>> Doherty’s side of the tracks, we have around 200 parking spaces. This is >>>> by far the most parking for any station between Waltham and South Acton. >>>> (Kendall Green: 57 spaces; Concord: 86; West Concord: 146) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> By providing commuter rail parking, Lincoln has been doing more than >>>> its fair share for years to promote public transportation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark Levinson >>>> >>>> Ridge Rd. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Karla Gravis <karlagra...@gmail.com> >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2023 2:07 PM >>>> *To:* Lincoln Talk <lincoln@lincolntalk.org> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Fwd: Cold Brook Crossing >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> According to the HCAWG presentation, expanding the LW sewage plant will >>>> cost $2M-$4M, and the plan is for the town to apply for a Massworks grant. >>>> Must be noted that the grant would only cover up to 50% of the cost (and we >>>> would be applying for this grant to benefit a private developer). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Planning board member Mr. Taylor has said, on two separate occasions >>>> during public meetings, that in order to provide an "incentive" to TCB to >>>> cooperate on the expansion of the septic plant, we would allow them to >>>> build housing on the commuter parking lot. This is the backstory as to why >>>> the commuter lot is included in the rezoning, even though it doesn't >>>> provide any units towards compliance. It is public record that the Selects >>>> have met three times this year to discuss the conveyance of an undisclosed >>>> parcel. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I do not understand why the town is negotiating with town property on >>>> behalf of private parties (RLF/Civico). It sets a complicated precedent, >>>> and it is questionable that this advances the general interest of the town. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For those looking for the actual quotes, Mr. Taylor says it in minute >>>> 1:48:15 of this past Monday's PB meeting, and also in the minutes of the >>>> July 11th PB minutes (links below). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 11/20 PB meeting >>>> >>>> >>>> https://cloud.castus.tv/vod/lincoln/video/655ccf53888dbd0008844d4a?page=HOME >>>> >>>> 1:48:15 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 07/11 PM minutes >>>> >>>> https://www.lincolntown.org/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Minutes/_07112023-5133 >>>> >>>> PVM gave a brief overview of the subdistrict presentation and ran >>>> through the potential options and discussed a new Option 7. PVM said that >>>> The Community Builders (TCB)would have no reason to tear down anything at >>>> Lincoln Woods and would more likely develop something at the commuter lot. >>>> GT said that any project on the RLF/Mall property that included any >>>> substantial housing would need TCB cooperation in the expansion of the >>>> septic system that serves the Mall and Lincoln Woods and said that the >>>> opportunity to develop housing on the commuter parking lot could provide >>>> that incentive. He also noted that any housing developed by TCB on the >>>> commuter lot would be 100% affordable and count on Lincoln’s Subsidized >>>> Housing >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:22 PM Debra Daugherty <dadaughe...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> So, I think the Lincoln Woods sewage treatment plant is supposed to >>>> support that Mall development, right? How would that work? I assume it >>>> would need to be greatly increased in capacity. (Sorry if I'm asking >>>> questions that I should already know the answer to ...) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:04 PM Robert Ahlert <robahl...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Actually, Ken, it’s a pretty good analog for the Village center >>>> proposal in options C&D. Not a scare monger tactic as you suggest. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And now, with the revelation that Village Center will have up to 48 >>>> feet in height, we could end up with a four-story building with parking >>>> underneath. Please see the planning board meeting from last Monday for >>>> evidence of this. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Also, Please look at the site plan below from Cold Brook Crossing and >>>> the 20 units per acre, which is *less* than options C&D at 25 units >>>> per acre. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> These emails made the first go round in Mid October >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: *Robert Ahlert* <robahl...@gmail.com> >>>> Date: Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:48 AM >>>> Subject: Cold Brook Crossing >>>> To: LincolnHCA <lincoln...@googlegroups.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As a reminder, Cold Brook is documented at 20 units per acres (101 / >>>> 5.05 acres). See yellow highlight. Also note that septic area has very >>>> much been minimized (red circles) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://sudbury.ma.us/pcd/wp-content/uploads/sites/326/2020/05/Cold-Brook-Crossing-Attachment-M-Site-Plan-March-2020.pdf?version=b0d9838a9aaeb12612c9c1a52890ee75 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Robert Ahlert* | *781.738.1069* | robahl...@gmail.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>> Browse the archives at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>> Browse the archives at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>>> Browse the archives at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>> >>>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > . > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. > >
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