On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Shachar Shemesh <shac...@shemesh.biz> wrote: > On 06/25/2012 06:21 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >> Schachar, I before addressing the issue at hand, I would like to state >> an observation. When I reply to your mail, all text is of the same >> quote level. That is, there is a single > at the beginning of each >> line, whether it is a line that you wrote or a line that I wrote. > Until I debug this, I'm replying as plain text only.
Thanks. >> Are you referring to the use of linefeeds to designate the end of an >> embedded section? > No. I'm referring to paragraph terminators. > Which ASCII code is that? Even googling for it I cannot find that character, other than the newline. Is it the newline? > Dotan, may I suggest you go read the standard before making claims on > what it is saying? > I never quoted any standard nor made any claim as to what the standard says. I only asked for clarification. In any case I tried to get past the issue of what designates the end of a paragraph as quickly as possible to return to the original issue: the fact that one need not employ HTML to ensure RTL or even Bidi text. > From the standard (section 3), the UBA[1] is applied by using the > following four steps: > - Separation into paragraphs > - Initialization > - Resolution of the embedding levels > - Reordering > > Paragraphs are resolved in step 1 and 2. RLEs in 3. They are simply not > the same thing. BD5 defines "paragraph direction". >> So we have established that sections of text separated by newlines are >> paragraphs. Let us return to the issue. In a plain text file, as >> defined above, there does exist a method by which the author of the >> file may specify that a paragraph is to be RTL. > There exists many. Specifically, the standard, which I urge you to read, > offers one, and then specifically says that others are also okay (i.e.- > not in violation of the standard). These are mentioned in the text right > after P3, and again at HL1. > > It seems to me you are trying to force your agenda. > What agenda is that? I didn't even notice that I had an agenda. I would like to see the non-printing characters on the Hebrew layout but I can live without it. I would like to see peace with our neighbours but if it is a choice between security and peace then I choose security. I would like to earn a comfortable living and have a healthy family, but that is my own onus, not an issue for the list! >> Therefore there is no >> need for HTML to send RTL emails, nor is there technical need for the >> email client to guess. > Except there so no standard, de-facto or otherwise (as far as I'm aware) > on whether HL1 is being applied be email clients for plain text emails, > and the HTML standard is that HL1 is being applied, and paragraph > direction must be set. > >> Have I forgotten anything? > Yes. To substantiate your claims. > Fair enough. This is a plain-text email. This is an English sentence, should be displayed from left to right. זאת שפה העברית, אמור להוליך מימין לשמאל. שים דגש על מיקום הנודה בסוף. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com _______________________________________________ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
