On Sun, 2003-10-05 at 17:21, Tom Brinkman wrote: > On Sunday October 5 2003 03:08 pm, ed tharp wrote: > > > That's not bad as a general rule, but I still think there is a > > > place for MS-related posts when there is a relevance to > > > Linux/OSS, as in the case of the Phoenix BIOS post. > > > > > > BTW, please delete the reply-to field in your mail client! > > > > > > Sir Robin > > > > Just so long as I don't have to acknowledge any M$ product as > > 'the alpha male'. I might even go so far as "anti-anything" > > messages should be kept to the barest possible minimum. lets work > > for 'positive' and pro-active solutions.... > > Hell, if we couldn't rant on about M$ B$, a lot of threads would > lose a bunch of substance. Most of y'all attack the sloppiness of > Billy's software, but fail to see how much M$ influence has > degraded desktop hardware quality and ability over the years. If it > keeps up I'll probly need to buy server racks to keep runnin Linux. > M$ comments should be embedded in (intending to be) 'helpful' Linux > use replies. > > New users' queries to newbie about Linux shouldn't be overly > scared away with posts about "windoze hardare and software" > crapiness an questionable suitability for Linux. After all the > Linux community is workin very hard to deal with proprietary > hardware, even M$ software. And doin better each an every day. > There I agree, tryin be positive an not derogative in replies to > new Linux users. Problem is, so is the dark side, an they're gainin > ground. More'n more hardware (even firmware) is becoming more'n > more M$ and/or proprietary dependant. To quote M$ and many other > hardware vendors, 'It only works with Windows (XP)'. > > I didn't join in to the M$ bios thread because I considered it a > 'borderline' OT subject, but the recent stories (really old news) > about M$/bios integration .... is nothin new. IBM, Apple, and some > others have long ago adopted that strategy. Difference is they did > it with OPEN standards. I doubt M$ will do so since they've tried > to corral anything they can get a foot in the door with, and EEE > (extend, embrace, extinguish .... or control). IOW's ... CLOSED. > The real shame is the hardware (or specially in the case of > win-hardware) SUX! (btw, the worst bios, Phoenix... has for > several years since they bought 'em, owned the best .. Award. Think > of it as OEM it's probly Phoenix, quality it's still Award) > > I too noticed the "alpha male" remark. It's part of M$'s > successful brain washin. They've got a lot of the world's > population thinkin they were the beginning ... and will be the end > all. Neither of which is/will be true, in spite of many not even > being aware of anything else, before or after. But OTOH, most new > Linux users wouldn't be here unless they've already suspected M$ > veracity an capability. > > As to the subject, there's only one solution. Ignore, don't > participate in OT for the list threads. If ya wanna spout about > topics semi or completely unrelated to Mandrake Newbie, please join > us at http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot > Please realize that newbies are the most important Linux users, with > their testing, questions, complaints an suggestions. Without them, > there'd only be M$, and viable much better alternatives would be > only for a few, an certainly not single desktop users. > > I was reluctant to reply to this thread, as I thought it at least > semi off topic. BUT this list needs to seriously reduce OT posts. > Please post Linux accomplishments and or M$ failures to the OT > list. Specially political, even religious topics. Nobody will bite > your head off ... you might even convince somebody or two. Think of this list as learning and the OT list as recess.
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