I would prefer to keep the list together. I do not think the volume of either dev or user conversations is too oppressive to the other, and I would like to avoid wither group being neglected by the other.
Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2011, at 2:16 AM, "Wayne A. Walls" <wa...@openstack.org> wrote: > I remember having this discussion at the Cactus design summit, and the > reoccurring theme was dev vs sysads/deployment. I was in favor of a split > list then, but over the past year my stance has changed a bit. > > I don't know if I feel that OpenStack has reached the level where deployment > knowledge is absent of "dev" knowhow. Deployers of OS are typically in > irc/ml/forums pasting stack traces, working through problems with dev help. > Once we start seeing more public deployments, reference architectures, etc, > then maybe? > > Do devs think there is too much noise on the main ml? What has the impact > been on splitting the irc channels out? To me, I just idle in two places > now, but did that really have a big impact? I tend to agree with John's > points, I don't want the presumably easiest ml to consume to be neglected by > some of the brightest minds in the project. > > Thanks, > > > Wayne > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 6, 2011, at 10:11 PM, "John Purrier" <j...@openstack.org> wrote: > >> My 2 cents... >> >> The traffic on the list is less than 100 messages per day, of that about 35% >> is bug notifications. I wonder if we redirect the "developer" oriented email >> on the list whether we will have 10 messages a day on the original openstack >> mailing list. >> >> Stefano, can you elaborate on why the developers feel a split is necessary >> at this point? Most (if not all) of the traffic is developer oriented, what >> is the problem we want to solve? >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: openstack-bounces+john=openstack....@lists.launchpad.net >> [mailto:openstack-bounces+john=openstack....@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf >> Of Stefano Maffulli >> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 1:35 PM >> To: openstack >> Subject: [Openstack] Creating openstack-dev mailing list >> >> Jesse Andrews (anotherjesse)(Rackspace) >> Jonathan Bryce (jbryce)(Rackspace) >> Devin Carlen (devcamcar)(Nebula) >> Thierry Carrez (ttx)(Rackspace) >> John Dickinson (notmyname)(Rackspace)) >> Vish Ishaya (vishy)(Rackspace) >> Josh Kearney (jk0)(Rackspace) >> Joshua McKenty (jmckenty)(Piston) >> Ewan Mellor (ewanmellor)(Citrix) >> Jay Pipes (jaypipes)(Rackspace) >> John Purrier (johnpur)(HP) >> Monty Taylor (mordred)(Rackspace) >> Paul Voccio (pvo)(Rackspace) >> Ziad Sawalha (zns)(Rackspace) >> >> Hello folks, >> >> I've been talking to quite a few developers participating to the Design >> Summit and a recurring request I got is to create a new mailing list for >> the OpenStack developers to meet and discuss. >> >> There is also a concern that putting developers in another list will >> decrease their attention to the bigger part of the community. I believe >> this is a serious concern and that it's going to be our role as leaders >> of this community to prevent this from happening. >> >> I'd suggest to dedicate the existing mailing list for discussions about >> usage of OpenStack (deployment and development of applications on top of >> OpenStack API) and create a new one only for developers of OpenStack. >> "Developers" in this context should be developers of openstack projects >> (nova, swift, quantum, etc). >> >> If there is no opposition to this proposal in the next days, I'll >> proceed and create openstack-dev and invite developers to subscribe to >> it. >> >> cheers, >> stef >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack >> Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack >> Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
