On Sat,04.Apr.09, 14:29:43, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > > 2. GUI package manager: I prefer aptitude for myself, but a GUI one is > > definitely necessary and synaptic is the obvious choice (at least until > > aptitude-gtk is ready, when the discussion can be reopened) > > I'm not really against a package manager in the default install, I'm > just don't sure if it should be in desktop or xfce-desktop. Is there a > KDE package manager? Because there is no xfce specific package manager > (well, besides xfce4-smartpm-plugin which is not yet uploaded and may > never be) KDE has kpackage.
> > 3. IM client: my first thought was pidgin, but seeing that it wants to > > install 20 additional packages I reconsidered. After a quick search I > > found ayttm, which at the first glance seems quite usable. > > Yeah, a default install kind-of require that, agreed. Pidgin is nice and > doesn't require that many packages. But it requires gconf so it's not > really a good idea (though we already use gdm in that install, so we > already have it :/) What do you think about ayttm? > > (edit: one quirk about ayttm is that you can't write to people who are > > "offline", even if that person is in fact only "invisible" and just > > wrote you something. I'll file a bug.) #522498 > > 4. Document viewer: epdfview makes a good pdf viewer. OTOH, evince-gtk > > supports additional formats (ps, eps, djvu and dvi)... > > evince-gtk is gone (the only rationale for evince-gtk was to drop the > dep on libgnome, which evince has not anymore, but it still depends on > libgnome-keyring and gconf). For me I'd prefer epdfview, even if it's a > bit rhough. It's fine with me, I just wanted to point out that some formats not unusual on Linux (.ps and .dvi) are not supported. > > 5. Image viewer: my personal preference is gpicview. Xavier Oswald > > suggested mirage which could also be an option. Ristretto is currently > > not very usable, IMHO, but this could change. > > Could you retry the 0.21 version in unstable (and maybe report the bugs > we talked about upstream). Mirage is nice but ristretto (which started > as a mirage fork iirc) is an Xfce project, so it'd be consistent. I'm running 4.6 since a few hours ;) The "could not open file" message is gone, but all other points are still valid, even if they are only related to usability. I'll file whishlist bugs upstream when I get around it. > > 6. Image editor: gimp is installed by default, but is seems a bit heavy > > to me (well, at least having an image viewer will mean it's not opened > > by default if I double-click an image) and would suggest something like > > gpaint. > > > > (edit: it seems the default for KDE is kolourpaint, which according to > > the description is (much?) simpler than Gimp) > > But gimp is brought by the desktop task, not by xfce-desktop task. Yes, together with iceweasel and openoffice.org :/ Do you think people would oppose removing the stuff from the desktop task and let every DE chose for itself? > > 7. Productivity: openoffice.org is pulled by the generic Desktop task > > (AFAICT). For me personally this is a bit heavy an I would rather only > > have Abiword+Gnumeric. > > But abiword and gnumeric are gnome apps, they'll bring to many stuff I > guess. More than the entire OpenOffice.org? > > and a point raised by Yves-Alexis: > > > > 8. www browser: > > > > > One stuff I'll have to think about, too, is the browser. I'd be glad to > > > drop iceweasel for midori once webkit is stabilized (especially since > > > midori is now officially some kind of an xfce project) but maybe the > > > user expects iceweasel to be there on a desktop task. That or we could > > > drop it from the desktop task and let every *-task define the preferred > > > brother (epiphany/konqueror/midori/=E2=80=A6) > > > > (edit: AFAICT KDE and Gnome are using Konqueror and Epiphany by default, > > even if Iceweasel is present) > > So I guess we could add midori to the list (and make it the default > where possible), but still keep iceweasel in the desktop task. Sounds ok. Maybe midori will get more audience this way (which might help fix some bugs). BTW, how can I make a useful bugreport about the random crashes I've seen? Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein)
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