The most important political development in 20th century German history was
Nazism, which was an ethnic nationalist movement of the most extreme variety.
Nazism allied itself with sympathetic ethnic nationalists all across Europe and
in Japan, in opposition to enemy ethnic groups (Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, etc.),
producing a small event known as World War II. One would expect you, as a
German, to be especially sensitive to the role of ethnic politics in human
affairs.
The most dangerous political conflict in the world today is the ethnic conflict
between Jews and Arabs in the Middle East (and between Jews and
Persians/Iranians as well). Many Jews also feel themselves to be bogged down
in apocalyptic conflicts with many other ethnic groups (read Commentary, Atlas
Shrugs, FrontPage Magazine, Little Green Footballs, Israpundit, etc. for the
full list of ethnic enemies, which often includes Europeans, Russians, Chinese,
Japanese, Anglo Americans, African Americans, Hispanic Americans, etc.).
Norman Podhoretz and his fellow neocons, driven by messianic ethnocentric
fervor and xenophobia, are agitating to ignite World War III/IV.
I haven't pointed to the important role of ethnic nationalism in world politics
because I support ethnic nationalism -- why in the world would you think that?
I have strongly opposed neoconservatism precisely because it is trying to stir
up ancient ethnic hatreds -- isn't my point of view on this issue obvious by
now? The point of analyzing ethnocentrism, especially messianic ethnocentrism,
is to try to deconstruct and overcome it, not wallow in it.
Just off the top of my head, I quickly (and unsystematically) jotted down some
significant ethnic conflicts that are well-known to historians -- there are
many, many more that will no doubt occur to me (and others here) upon
reflection.
Afghans vs. Russians
African Americans vs. Anglo Americans
African Americans vs. Irish Americans
African Americans vs. Italian Americans
African Americans vs. Jewish Americans
African Americans vs. white Americans
African-Americans vs. Jews
Afrikaners vs. black Africans
Anglo Americans vs. African Americans
Anglo Americans vs. Irish Americans
Anglo Americans vs. Jewish Americans
Arab Americans vs. Jewish Americans
Arabs vs. British
Arabs vs. French
Arabs vs. Jews
Armenians vs. Turks
Babylonians vs. Jews
black Africans vs. Afrikaners
black Americans vs. white Americans
British vs. Arabs
British vs. Chinese
British vs. French
British vs. Germans
British vs. Indians
British vs. Irish
British vs. Jews
British vs. Spanish
Chechnyans vs. Russians
Chinese vs. British
Chinese vs. Japanese
Chinese vs. Tibetans
Egyptians vs. Jews (ancient)
Egyptians vs. Jews (modern)
European Americans vs. native Americans
Europeans vs. Jews
French vs. Arabs
French vs. British
French vs. Germans
French vs. Jews
Germans vs. British
Germans vs. French
Germans vs. Jews
Germans vs. Russians
Germans vs. Slavs
Hellenists vs. Jews
Hispanic Americans vs. Jewish Americans
Indians vs. British
Indians vs. Pakistanis
Iranians vs. Iraqis
Iranians vs. Jews
Iraqis vs. Iranians
Irish Americans vs. African Americans
Irish Americans vs. Anglo Americans
Irish Americans vs. Jewish Americans
Irish vs. British
Italian Americans vs. African Americans
Japanese vs. Chinese
Japanese vs. Russians
Jewish Americans vs. African Americans
Jewish Americans vs. Anglo Americans
Jewish Americans vs. Arab Americans
Jewish Americans vs. Hispanic Americans
Jewish Americans vs. Irish Americans
Jews vs. African-Americans
Jews vs. Arabs
Jews vs. Babylonians
Jews vs. British
Jews vs. Egyptians (ancient)
Jews vs. Egyptians (modern)
Jews vs. Europeans
Jews vs. French
Jews vs. Germans
Jews vs. Hellenists
Jews vs. Iranians
Jews vs. Palestinians
Jews vs. Poles
Jews vs. Romans
Jews vs. Russians
Jews vs. Ukrainians
Kurds vs. Turks
native Americans vs. European Americans
Pakistanis vs. Indians
Palestinians vs. Jews
Poles vs. Jews
Romans vs. Jews
Russians vs. Afghans
Russians vs. Chechnyans
Russians vs. Germans
Russians vs. Japanese
Russians vs. Jews
Slavs vs. Germans
Spanish vs. British
Tibetans vs. Chinese
Turks vs. Armenians
Turks vs. Kurds
Ukrainians vs. Jews
white Americans vs. black Americans
LeaNder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Seems I
have to agree completely. If we turn back to Italy in Machiavelli's times,
that does not look like ethnic conflicts to me. But power games among
sovereigns. In Germany the Peasant's War was not at all about ethnicity,
neither was the French revolution, which Napoleon wanted to bring to all of
Europe. The German Thirty Years War war was not about ethnicity but started as
a religious war and turned into power games among the central European Powers.
I am a bit confused at the moment. If you consider ethnicity such a huge
factor, why don't you join the neocon's? After all they gave a resident
scholarship to Charles Murray at AEI? And if ethnicity is such a huge factor
maybe all these Muslim watchers like Dave Gaubatz are correct? But they merge
easily with the larger league of racists if one takes a closer look, and I have
to hesitantly admit the pro-Israel forces.
That's what really bothers me quite a bit: many publications that are ardently
supported by Israeli's or hawkish supporters of Israel often merge with racist
positions and not only when people like Dave Gaubatz are concerned:
Lately I find the American Thinker in my mailbox from an address that usually
only forwards articles from the Jerusalem Post. And other's notice the fine
racist trail. Dave of course has not only close ties with Daniel Pipes,
FrontPageMag but also with the American Thinker:
What am I to think of that? That US forces are part of a huge conspiracy to
hide the WMD in Iraq to blame it all on the Jews?
Thanks to Undercover Black Man
Amazing Argument
"Jazz is the great cultural achievement of America where blacks took a leading
role as creators and practitioners, and where blacks and whites and eventually
Asians, Latinos, and well, everyone, performed and listened in harmony
(literally and figuratively). That era ended yesterday, thanks to the
forward-thinking "progressives" of the San Francisco Bay Area. Race is now more
important than music, according to authoritative local commentators and
practitioners."
Well, well, well if you had the creme de la creme of black Jazz musicians
playing in your club, I would not call that "affirmative action" if people are
surprised that they are completely absent from a 10th anniversary CD. What the
hell is happening?
And over here in Germany the wheels start to turn back too, not that it ever
was much different with the police guarding our Neo-Nazis forces matching down
the streets, singing their antisemitic songs and both police AND media blaming
their opponents the multicultural anti-fa forces to forge evidence. Not so,
they seem to have learned as can be seen in Frankfurt, which paints a huge
smile on my face. Frankfurt - Neo-Nazi demonstration will have an aftermath
Maybe I have to start to take the US propaganda that Europe is Arabistan and
the left are the worst antisemites less serious in the future. But this whistle
- I have to agree is blown heavily - from the pro-Israel forces over here too.
-jo
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--- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, tigerbengalis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Short answer--no. Unless you want to throw out pretty much all of the history
> of the Middle East for past century plus, including its role in great Power
> machinations, the waning of the Ottoman Empire, compounded by the discovery
> of oil reserves, the betrayal of Arab national aspirations by the British in
> the 1920's, and finally, european anti-Semitism, triggering the rise of
> Zionism, transforming into the Holocaust and post WW2/cold war global
> intrigues.
>
> So no, Sean, this is not about "ethnic conflict," much less genes.
>
> Sean McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Regarding the big picture here:
>
> Isn't the battle between Jews and Arabs in the Middle East a classic example
> of an ethnic conflict over territory and resources -- perhaps one of the
> preeminent examples of ethnic conflict in all of world history? And isn't
> this struggle, on the Jewish side, framed by the myths and symbols of the Old
> Testament and Torah, which are themselves cast as a struggle for territory,
> resources, wealth and power vis-a-vis other ethnic groups -- "the nations"?
>
> What is remotely controversial about the notion that ethnic groups in general
> throughout history have competed against one another for territory,
> resources, wealth and power? Isn't this the main theme in human history? And
> would it come at all as a surprise that this behavior is driven by genetic
> factors?
>
> tigerbengalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> tim_howells_1000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I certainly have no clue what you are talking about, as usual. An excellent
> source re that conflict is Robert I. Friedman's biography of Meir Kahane (The
> False Prophet, pg. 91 - 95). Kahane was in the middle of the fight. The
> source of the conflict was indeed the fact that more and more jews were
> moving into inner city teaching jobs that had previously been held primarily
> by blacks.
> If you have any facts to the contrary (ha ha ha) please enlighten us.
> Tim Howells
> REPLY
>
> Tim, it's unseemly to adopt a smug attitude when you haven't any idea what
> you are talking about. Jews were most definitely NOT "moving into inner city
> teaching jobs that had previously been held primarily by blacks," for the
> simple fact that the main issue is that hardly ANY teaching jobs in New York
> City--including in the inner city, were held by blacks.
> This very complex situation arose in a context where Jews were the dominant
> force in the Board of Education and the Ford Foundation sponsored a community
> control experiment precisely to address the LACK of Black teachers and
> community input of inner city education. Many at the time consider the whole
> debacle as one self consciously instigated by McGeorge Bundy and the Ford
> Foundation, which funded some of the worst opportunists in the Black
> community and set in motion a conflict that pitted ultra nationalist Blacks
> against a largely white union whose opportunist leader exaggerated and
> exasperated supposed anti-Semitism in the Black community. End result--a
> weakening of both the union and a decimation of the community control
> movement--typical Ford Foundation divide and conquer policy (this was in
> 1968).
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