Géry <gery.o...@gmail.com> added the comment:

@barry You gave 2 reasons for changing __spec__.origin and __file__ for 
namespace packages.

Your 1st reason:

> I don't particularly like that its origin is "namespace".  That's an odd 
> special case that's unhelpful to test against (what if you import a 
> non-namespace package from the directory "namespace"?)

As far as I know, a non-namespace package always has an __init__.py file, so if 
it is imported from a directory named "namespace" it has a __spec__.origin and 
__file__ attributes equal to "path/to/package/namespace/__init__.py". So I 
don’t see the problem here with having a "namespace" origin for namespace 
package specs.

In addition, PEP 420 that introduced implicit namespace packages in Python 3.3 
clearly stated that having no __file__ attribute was intended for namespace 
packages, and more generally was left a the discretion of the module’s loader 
and no more limited to built-in modules 
(https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0420/#module-reprs):

> Previously, module reprs were hard coded based on assumptions about a 
> module's __file__ attribute. If this attribute existed and was a string, it 
> was assumed to be a file system path, and the module object's repr would 
> include this in its value. The only exception was that PEP 302 reserved 
> missing __file__ attributes to built-in modules, and in CPython, this 
> assumption was baked into the module object's implementation. Because of this 
> restriction, some modules contained contrived __file__ values that did not 
> reflect file system paths, and which could cause unexpected problems later 
> (e.g. os.path.join() on a non-path __file__ would return gibberish).
> This PEP relaxes this constraint, and leaves the setting of __file__ to the 
> purview of the loader producing the module. Loaders may opt to leave __file__ 
> unset if no file system path is appropriate. Loaders may also set additional 
> reserved attributes on the module if useful. This means that the definitive 
> way to determine the origin of a module is to check its __loader__ attribute.
> For example, namespace packages as described in this PEP will have no 
> __file__ attribute because no corresponding file exists.

Your 2nd reason:

> This is especially bad because the documentation for __spec__.origin implies 
> a correlation to __file__, and says:
> "Name of the place from which the module is loaded, e.g. “builtin” for 
> built-in modules and the filename for modules loaded from source. Normally 
> “origin” should be set, but it may be None (the default) which indicates it 
> is unspecified."

I agree here, so why not updating the documentation instead of changing the 
implementation which followed PEP 420?

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nosy: +eric.snow, maggyero

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