Super Tourist tubing or not, no doubt that long TT enhances the flex-magic 
for your 165-lb, long torso-ed body geo. nice ride!

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 2:01:01 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
> Yeah Ted it seems I do prefer frames that have some flex in the right 
> places. The 531ST tubes are intended for touring, slightly thicker wall 
> diameter than the regular 531. OF course I know nothing of designing bikes, 
> but thankfully the designer/builder does and he would not do something he 
> wasn't comfortable with. Tall head tube, yes, I've seen taller ! Fork flex 
> is in the blades. 
>
> In regards to the tubing, 531 seems to have a kind of PFM status... pure 
> f'n magic for their ride characteristics. 
>
> https://www.bretonbikes.com/homepage/cycling-article-blog/87-reynolds-531-tubing-the-cycle-tourists-friend
>
> My takeaway from all this is that in this case a "lively" frame will feel 
> that way with large of range of tire quality.... whereas a frame that isn't 
> so lively, even with specifically "supple" tires isn't going to compensate 
> for it's not so liveliness. Improve the ride, yes. 
>
> I can see how those that have both a lively frame and supple tires would 
> find it blissful !  
>
> At 165lbs or so I would have to go really low on the Bomba to get a pinch 
> flat as I naturally ride "light" over things. I have Big Ben 50 on there 
> now @25-30 psi. I'll try lowering them off the pavement and see how it 
> goes. As for other tires .... man it's like pie in the sky. They all look 
> good from afar ! Ahahaha !
>
> In regards to George's mishap, I've heard him account what happened a 
> couple of times and what failed was the Trek frames carbon steering tube. 
> He was trying to land softly to the left when it was happening but since 
> the failure happened so fast he was a mere passenger. This was the early 
> days of carbon frame construction. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 1:15:53 PM UTC-4, ted wrote:
>>
>> My Bombadil has Pacenti Quasi-Moto tires. I would think any non uber 
>> stout 2 inch tire would behave much the same in this respect.
>> I have another more roadish bike with 47mm tires (wtb byway) I run at 
>> ~25psi when I want things cushy. That one does fairly well off road as well.
>> Keep in mind at 20 psi, 2 psi is 10%. Do the fat bike crowd run pressures 
>> down in the single digits?
>> My rules of thumb are: 
>>    If your tires aren't soaking up bumps the way you want, lower the 
>> pressure, then lower it some more until they are. (too low may not be low 
>> enough)
>>    If you start getting pinch flats in the process, get bigger tires. 
>> (got the first classic pinch flat of my life yesterday, guess I should try 
>> 28mm tires on that bike)
>>    If you feel like your tires have too much rolling resistance, shop for 
>> more supple tires.
>> I think that approach can produce satisfactory results for a lot of folks 
>> without going beyond 28-33 mm tires. Despite the current popularity of 
>> "wider is better" and asking "how wide is too wide?" there can be wisdom in 
>> asking "how wide is wide enough?".
>> Typically it seems like tires are so much more compliant than even "std. 
>> diameter" thin wall tubing, that softer tires dominate wrt vertical 
>> compliance. Sounds like for you, not so much. First time for everything I 
>> suppose.
>> I expect you are aware there are folks who only like more flexible extra 
>> thin walled "standard" diameter tubed frames. Perhaps you do too. It's good 
>> to know what one likes.
>> I hope the stress levels in your fork blades are well below the fatigue 
>> limit for steel. Also that's a tall head tube, perhaps some of the flex in 
>> your fork is in the steerer tube?
>> Have you seen the video of Hincapie in Paris Roubaix sitting bolt upright 
>> with his disconnected bars in his hand as he veered into the ditch and 
>> separated his shoulder?
>>
>> I think the handling of my Bombadil is somewhat different than my other 
>> bikes, I like it a lot for riding the hills in my local open spaces. Prefer 
>> other bikes for riding on roads though.
>>
>>
>>

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