I think frame size has a lot to do with it, with or without 2 TT. I bet the main triangle size - the area from the lower top tube to the downtube and seat tube on the 62 Joe was bigger than the Roadeo, not to mention the longer chainstays. Tires too. 62 Joe had 50mm Big Apples. I think the forks on those 1st Gen Joe's weren't as stout either. Of all of them, that was the best riding bike, almost perfect responsiveness/flex for me. I only got rid of it because it was too tight in the crotch. That order was just based on my feel riding the bikes on the same routes with he same level of effort. Nothing scientific, I didn't measure deflections or anything and others may feel different if they've ridden them too. I will say the Clem's are definitely more flexy than the Roadeo though. No question on that in my mind. Not in a bad way though; still strong, capable bikes. All the bikes are fun to ride. The Roadeo is extremely responsive, responds instantly to pedal input, reminds me of stiffer aluminum road bikes that I've had in the past in terms of responsiveness, but more compliant and comfortable.
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