I laugh at this question (in nostalgic exhilaration, not scorn) because
I've had the same dilemma for dirt surface bikes. I want a low, narrow
cruising position for tarmac, and a wide, closer-up position for dirt.

What all this reminds me of is: the original issue Moustache Bar. Though I
tried close and high, I didn't like it, and always went back to low and
far; IOW, set them up much like road drop bars. This gave me a narrow,
long-reach position on the hoods (set up per Grant's original suggestion),
and a much wider and closer position by sitting up and holding on to the
ends of the bar.

These 2 positions are very good, but -- and this is me, only -- my left
palm is so sensitive that only the ramps and hoods of a road drop bar setup
(I tried 6-7 different, wide, flared offroad drops and hated them all) is
comfortable for more than a few miles, thus ruling out the M-bar for
anything ridden for over 10 miles.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Stevens <imandrewstev...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> https://surlybikes.com/parts/truck_stop_bar
> https://www.crustbikes.com/products/wide-load-bar/
> https://bikepacking.com/news/ride-farr-supa-wide-handlebar/
>
> I guess the way I'm reading it is you want a narrow road position and a
> wider upright position. The general trend in backpacking has been to widen
> the bars and to include upsweep from the stem so that its a riser bar with
> a wide drop position, so that inverts what I perceive to be your preferred
> position, but this trend seems much easier from an engineering standpoint.
> I just got those Ride Farr bars: they are wide, but as they are short
> reach, with a shorter stem, they feel very natural, and nowhere near as
> wide as the widest bars out there nowadays.
>
> You could also go the Jones route, and ride in the "aero" position:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGwBvzvIhhs
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 10:48:51 AM UTC-5, Zack Medow wrote:
>>
>> Ok so for me the perfect road handlebar would allow me to run drop bar
>> break levers in the typical way for “endurance” riding, then with back
>> sweep to allow me to sit up and change my back angle. Basically I’m
>> visualizing this as an albastache bar but with the break levers vertical
>> instead of horizontal. Or like a dirt drop, but with all the hand positions
>> existing on the same plane.
>>
>> I could see how you’d do this by bending the tubes down in the way you
>> typically would on a drop bar, and then sideways and back for the sit-up
>> position. Has anyone ever seen a bar like this? Is this a very stupid idea?
>
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