The two wrenches are to hold one nut still while turning the other, like when serving loose bearing hubs. Most (all?) threaded headsets use a keyed washer between the nuts to prevent one from turning the other, so there's no need for two wrenches. If you want to travel with a bike with threaded headset, it is worth using a sealed-bearing headset. For one, you can't lose some of the balls, and for another the preload adjustment is much less sensitive.
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 10:04:35 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote: > Haha. I haven't touched my Chris King threadless headset on my touring > bike for years. Getting all the play out took quite a bit of futzing so now > I avoid messing with it. For a threaded headset I remember you need 2 > wrenches. Just one more thing I don't want to deal with while I'm > jet-lagged and putting together the bike at a hotel under time pressure. > > On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:55:40 AM UTC-7 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Piaw- it does, I was intimidated but I saw a plp vid where he uses the >> case w a threaded fork, so I just got one of those mini adjustable wrenches >> that Riv sells and it’s p smooth sailing as long as you keep up with >> everything. I saw Russ posting recently about some Topeak travel-specific, >> light-looking, flat headset wrenches that would be amazing for this >> application, but they most be a prototype, can’t find them anywhere. >> >> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 12:35 PM Piaw Na(藍俊彪) <pi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Doesn't the post-transfer case require fork removal? Is that hard to do >>> on the threaded headset? I've always avoided cases that require fork >>> removal. >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 8:40 AM Chasen Smith <chasenl...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Going off of what Piaw said of the AHH, the fact that the roadini will >>>> fit in my post transfer case was a huge factor in my decision to get one! >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:47 AM Piaw Na <pi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Let me break down the road bike selection from Rivendell: >>>>> >>>>> Sam: I refuse to consider this a road bike since it doesn't take >>>>> sidepull calipers. :-) I've always hated both cantilever and v-brakes, >>>>> having experienced many reliability issues with them (they're probably >>>>> better now, but I still get PTSD from having them fall apart on me once >>>>> and >>>>> hours spent dealing with a heron that squealed like the proverbial stuck >>>>> pig when descending major passes in the alps). I consider even disc >>>>> brakes >>>>> to be a better compromise if you need wider tires than a Tektro 559. And >>>>> those squeal too just not as badly. >>>>> Roadeo: classic road bike using medium reach brakes ---- I've got a >>>>> friend who got a Lynskey built up to match the geometry (Rivendell only >>>>> had >>>>> one demo Roadeo when he wanted to buy and the wait was such that a custom >>>>> Lynskey would deliver faster) and he loves it. If you don't need more >>>>> than >>>>> 35mm tires it's a great bike. >>>>> Roadini: gravelish bike with Tektro brakes that can take 42mm tires. >>>>> The higher BB means you can't treat it like a MTB and never have a pedal >>>>> strike no matter what trails you ride on. It's versatile and heavier but >>>>> a >>>>> reasonable compromise. >>>>> AHH: fully lugged road bike with a low BB built for tires wider than >>>>> 30mm. The ultra long chainstays means it's suitable for even rougher >>>>> trails >>>>> than the Roadini but might also mean it's harder to fly with. The 135mm >>>>> rear wheel is strong enough to handle anything a MTB can. With good bike >>>>> handling skills and 45mm tires this would be my choice for bikepacking >>>>> (though I'm light enough the Roadini will serve well there). >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:39:03 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Oh yeah, the AHH doesn't have downtube shifter bosses, while the >>>>>> Roadini does. Again, a minor consideration --- I'm happy with my >>>>>> downtube >>>>>> shifter on my Roadini, but it wouldn't have killed me to go to bar-end >>>>>> shifters. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 7:35:31 AM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The AHH has 50cm chainstays, which might make it hard to fit into my >>>>>>> bike box for flying (I use a Trico-Ironcase). The AHH also takes 135mm >>>>>>> rear >>>>>>> wheels, while the wheels I had hanging in the garage were all 130mm >>>>>>> wheels. >>>>>>> Grant advised against cold setting an AHH. In exchange the Roadini has >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> 5mm higher BB, which I dislike (others claim you can't tell the >>>>>>> difference >>>>>>> but I can, from having ridden an 80mm drop touring bike for many >>>>>>> years), >>>>>>> but something I'm willing to trade. If my current custom touring bike >>>>>>> fails, I'll go for a custom bike with the Roadini geometry but with an >>>>>>> 80 >>>>>>> or even 85mm BB drop now that I'm unlikely to ride tires narrower than >>>>>>> 28mm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's pretty much it. The extra $400 the AHH cost might also make a >>>>>>> difference if you're stretching your budget, but it wasn't a big >>>>>>> consideration for me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:03 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can someone explain to me what would prompt a decision for a >>>>>>>> roadini over a Homer aside from price? I though the Homer was Rivs >>>>>>>> "zippy" >>>>>>>> offering. With the Roadeo being their fast offering. The road bike >>>>>>>> category >>>>>>>> at Riv is starting to get crowded between the Sam, Homer, Roadini and >>>>>>>> Roadeo. I know Riv calls the Sam a Hilli/Gravel bike, but coming from >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> modern gravel bike, and before that a Salsa Vaya, the Sam is >>>>>>>> definitely a >>>>>>>> road bike that happens to be tough and capable elsewhere. But a Road >>>>>>>> Bike >>>>>>>> when the day is done. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 8:51:03 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For some of us who have had back pain with more modern bikes >>>>>>>>> Rivendells have always been a breath of fresh air. I started buying >>>>>>>>> them in >>>>>>>>> 1997 and have not looked back, they made riding possible for me >>>>>>>>> again. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I do prefer the Rivs with the shorter for Riv chainstays. Nice >>>>>>>>> bikes for those of us who have issues with more aggressive >>>>>>>>> geometries. For >>>>>>>>> me not koolaide but a practical comfort. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Glad your aluminum bike works for you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 2:13 AM Nick Payne <njh...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 2:43:06 pm UTC+10 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Modern bikes are fine - I recommended the OP consider one as a >>>>>>>>>> companion to his Sam - but being on a Rivendell group and calling us >>>>>>>>>> "people who've drunk the Kool-Aid" is... interesting 😐 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have Rivendell bikes, and they're nice bikes to ride. I just >>>>>>>>>> don't think they're the be-all and end-all of bicycle design. 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