Hi Kim, The way to measure is from one axle to the other. The maximum measurement that will fit on bike racks on Sacramento busses (pretty much identical to racks I've used/seen in other cities) is approximately 45". -Wes On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:14:41 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
> @ Jonathan - > > Does the Clem H and the Clem L have the same wheelbase or not ? > > I know my Clem L from the outer length from end to end of the wheels > measures close to 80" long. Too long for a bike rack for a transit bus is > my belief. > > Kim Hetzel > Yelm, WA. > > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:36:47 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote: > >> I mean the fallback is to take the smaller Clem H. It will be easier to >> get onto public transport bike racks and be easier to slot into a dorm at >> night too. The choice doesn't have to be Clem L or total beater. That Clem >> H is a killer bike that has slightly less sentimental value if it happens >> to get stolen. If it doesn't then he knows he can go with the bigger one >> the next semester. >> >> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-4 Curtis wrote: >> >>> If this is a question of bicycle happiness level (BHL)for a first year >>> college student we may be spending more energy on this than we should. >>> Difficult to judge the BHL for an 18 y.o. when we are looking at this >>> through our rose or not so rose colored glasses. Who is to say the student >>> on the 100 dollar "beater" has a different BHL compared to the student on >>> the 2500 dollar bicycle? >>> >>> Perhaps only the rider knows. >>> >>> Perhaps we should hope that the student is indifferent about the bicycle >>> they ride and are focused on the task at hand. >>> >>> If this bicycle and not that bicycle makes the student happier at >>> college then pick this bicycle. >>> >>> Peace, >>> Curtis >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2023, 4:47 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! < >>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Wow, this thread has generated a lot of response, and I’ve enjoyed >>>> reading every post. It’s such a shame we have to go to extremes to avoid >>>> bike theft - carrying heavy u-locks, being so choosy about parking and >>>> locking, replacing parts, making the bike ugly, choosing to ride an >>>> undesirable bike so we can preserve our desirable bike… >>>> >>>> Then there’s the other variable - how careful is the kid going to be >>>> with the bike? Well, bikes are not precious to him. He likes his bike, >>>> sees >>>> beauty and usefulness in it, but please do not bore him with too many >>>> details about it. I don’t think he will worry about it like I would; and >>>> that may lead to carelessness that gets his bike stolen. But also, he has >>>> the Mr. Magoo-like quality of walking through life blissfully unaware of >>>> the evil that lurks around every corner and arriving unscathed at his >>>> destination. >>>> >>>> The campus in question does not have a lot of bike pirates roaming >>>> about, although yes, I know they exist everywhere. But they are not >>>> prolific on this particular campus. I’m still undecided about what bike to >>>> send, but any bike that goes with him will get skewers that are locked and >>>> nuts that prevent the theft of stem, saddle and seat post. Hexlox makes >>>> all >>>> these products, if anyone is wondering. We’ll have good u-locks, too. >>>> >>>> And thanks to Jim for the mention of coverage under homeowners’ >>>> insurance. I’ll be looking into that for sure. >>>> Leah >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote: >>>> >>>>> Similar to Mackenzy, I’ve been bike commuting to college campuses for >>>>> many decades, the last 30 of which have been in the Boston area. I’ve >>>>> never >>>>> had a bike stolen likely because (1) I use a decent lock and (2) never >>>>> park >>>>> it outside overnight. I have colleagues who would never leave their bikes >>>>> outside at all and schlep them up to their offices, navigating too small >>>>> elevators and lots of doorways, but I’ve never seen the need. Sure, bikes >>>>> get stolen around here all the time, but I’m convinced those are the ones >>>>> easiest to steal, e.g., unlocked on a porch or in a backyard or part of a >>>>> larger home break in. >>>>> >>>>> Now that doesn’t mean I necessarily endorse bringing the Clem to >>>>> college as it will likely get thoroughly trashed from daily wear and tear >>>>> (bike racks are not bike-friendly spaces). But I’m also always looking >>>>> for >>>>> an excuse to build up a commuter for colleagues. >>>>> >>>>> Neal Lerner >>>>> Brookline MA >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:07:52 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm amazed at the amount of discouragement of use of the Clem as a >>>>>> college commuting bike. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've worked at universities a good chunk of my life and commuted with >>>>>> high(er) end bikes and never had any issues. I like riding nice bikes - >>>>>> which is why I own them. I've parked in high foot traffic zones (in >>>>>> front >>>>>> of libraries, security, etc.) or bring my bike inside ( absolute in >>>>>> downtown Vancouver) when possible or parking my bike is in eyesight >>>>>> (outside my old office at a bike rack in UVIC). Just the standard back >>>>>> wheel lock with cable around the front wheel. Nothing fancy. (no QR >>>>>> seat) >>>>>> Never ever ever leave them parked over night. I always avoid dark or >>>>>> hidden >>>>>> area's, especially near residence halls or maintenance buildings. >>>>>> Granted - >>>>>> some universities and colleges are more sketchy than others. I've found >>>>>> eventually other cyclists with nice or similar bikes will start parking >>>>>> around you. It's a little heartwarming. My biggest issue is the >>>>>> occasional >>>>>> bike jammer - which leads to fender misalignment or dents. Scratches >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> It's the life of a bike. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am of the opinion have a wonderful bike to have a wonderful ride >>>>>> everyday not to hide in the garage. On the counterpoint - if one is >>>>>> going >>>>>> to be riding to the bars or parties or potential overnight >>>>>> parking...this >>>>>> is where the shenanigans will happen. It could be good having a "bar >>>>>> hopper" single speed or something of the sort if biking is desired in >>>>>> these >>>>>> situations. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 1:50:41 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you considered a Brompton for a college bike? The folding >>>>>>> nature of it means it can always be safely inside with your son. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IanA Alberta Canada >>>>>>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:54:39 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to >>>>>>>> college in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that >>>>>>>> leaves >>>>>>>> buses, bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have >>>>>>>> grown >>>>>>>> up riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband >>>>>>>> (who >>>>>>>> doesn’t ride, sigh). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in >>>>>>>> 2020, and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow >>>>>>>> into it. >>>>>>>> I lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> the bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is >>>>>>>> fond >>>>>>>> of saying… >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to >>>>>>>> decide if he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> settle into this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting >>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>> wheels, dyno and fenders and going to college with him. At first he >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> opposed to the idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it >>>>>>>> looked >>>>>>>> cool. But after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he >>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>> began to like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all >>>>>>>> long and >>>>>>>> lithe, in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> test rode it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> that my knees don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>> bars?!) and it looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my >>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>> saddle on it.” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, >>>>>>>> because it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus >>>>>>>> bike >>>>>>>> rack - and I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike >>>>>>>> life >>>>>>>> is totally unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him >>>>>>>> dyno >>>>>>>> because the kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> will not sleep at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 >>>>>>>> takes 700c, so I don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike >>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>> really wants. But as of now, he wants his new bike. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that >>>>>>>> would be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing >>>>>>>> when it >>>>>>>> could be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to >>>>>>>> journey >>>>>>>> through undergrad together. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to >>>>>>>> college with a Clem? What do you have to say about it? 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