Thank you, John. Kim Hetzel. On Fri, Nov 17, 2023, 4:49 PM Johnny Alien <johnny.alien...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No she is looking for the Lime Green which was the first (or maybe second) > run of Platypie > > On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 7:42:26 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote: > >> @Leah - >> Is this what you are looking for ? >> >> https://www.rivbike.com/products/platypus-complete-bike?variant=41153175257199 >> >> Kim Hetzel. >> >> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:09:07 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote: >> >>> I have done this exact same thing on the local commuter line (METRA) >>> when I get tired of riding the limestone paths and want to go to the next >>> county West of here to ride on paved rural roads for a change. And that >>> pic is exactly how I secure it, no need to remove anything - just bungee it >>> to the side railing. BUT, there are time of day restrictions because they >>> don't want bikes taking up space when the morning or evening commuter >>> rushes begin. Mostly, it's all good. >>> >>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:13:39 PM UTC-6 Bob Ehrenbeck wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Roberta! >>>> >>>> Yes, that photo was taken from inside an Amtrak train. The front wheel >>>> comes off first, then it's just a matter of placing the rear rim onto the >>>> hook. It's not a big deal to remove the cable (for non-caliper brakes), and >>>> it's not like you're doing it multiple times a day. But if your bike isn't >>>> overly long and can fit without removing the wheel, I don't think the train >>>> crew really cares. >>>> >>>> There are just a few trains on Amtrak's Northeast Corridor that will >>>> accept bikes at all, but there are a bunch of commuter lines that also run >>>> on the corridor that will take bikes (SEPTA, NJ Transit, MARC, Metro North, >>>> MBTA, etc.). Here's a photo of my bike on a typical NJT train, with seating >>>> flipped up in the vestibule: >>>> >>>> [image: NJT Bike copy.jpg] >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 2:16:47 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote: >>>> >>>>> I get'cha (i have to let the air out and open the brakes on my Homer >>>>> to take off front wheel--very annoying), but my guess is Bob's picture is >>>>> on an Amtrak train. Sometimes, you just don't have a choice and I'd like >>>>> to know how to do it. >>>>> >>>>> Bob's description of NJTransit sounds a lot like our newer >>>>> Philadelphia commuter trains-- no dedicated bike area, one can improvise. >>>>> >>>>> I even took my bikes to a Philadelphia bus depot to get experience >>>>> putting them on the bus rack before I actually needed to do it. The >>>>> drivers were quite nice about that. >>>>> >>>>> Roberta >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-5 George Schick >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Plus, IMHO, having to remove the front wheel on bikes most of the >>>>>> time would be a PITA. First, there's the "lawyer tabs" that require >>>>>> unscrewing the QR a bit. Then, on some bikes equipped with caliper >>>>>> brakes >>>>>> wider tires can't get past the brake pads even when the brake release tab >>>>>> is moved, requiring some air to be bled out first. Finally, there may be >>>>>> fender contact issues with the front wheel removed if the bike is allowed >>>>>> to sway back and forth with out the wheel intact. I wouldn't want to do >>>>>> it >>>>>> very frequently. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 11:43:23 AM UTC-6 Roberta wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, Bob :) , >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do you hang it from the back wheel? You take the front wheel >>>>>>> off first, then lift up the back wheel? I guess the bike is lighter >>>>>>> without the front wheel. I'm not sure I'd have the strength. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I hang mine from the front wheel, I "pop" the front wheel up, >>>>>>> like a wheelie, roll the bike close to the hook and then just need to >>>>>>> lift >>>>>>> it up a foot or so to the hook. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Roberta >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:35:18 PM UTC-5 Bob Ehrenbeck >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As Allan noted, how you travel with a bike depends on the type of >>>>>>>> storage the train cars have on your particular Amtrak line. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The below photo shows the situation for the Vermonter line that >>>>>>>> runs between DC and Vermont. (It appears to be the same style as the >>>>>>>> Empire >>>>>>>> Service trains that Allan rides.) The instructions state that when >>>>>>>> hanging >>>>>>>> the bike from the rear wheel, the front wheel (and all bags) need to be >>>>>>>> removed. When I took the Vermonter to ride in D2R2, I did just that. >>>>>>>> On the >>>>>>>> return trip, however, the conductor said that I could leave the wheel >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the bike if it fit, and it did fit. The bike I had with me (a Rawland >>>>>>>> rSogn), has an end-to-end length of 67" with both wheels on, and since >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> 52 Clem H was an end-to-end length of 73", I'm pretty sure a Platypus >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>> fit in that vertical space with the front wheel removed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: Vermonter Bike Storage copy 2.jpg] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It appears that Amtrak's Blue Water and Wolverine trains have the >>>>>>>> same bike carry-on service as the Vermonter, so this should work just >>>>>>>> fine! >>>>>>>> https://www.amtrak.com/onboard/bring-your-bicycle-onboard.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Another possible option would be to drive to South Bend, Indiana >>>>>>>> and get on the South Shore Line to reach Chicago: >>>>>>>> https://mysouthshoreline.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But it seems that as there is a construction project going on, they >>>>>>>> have temporarily suspended bringing bikes on board: >>>>>>>> https://mysouthshoreline.com/plan-your-trip/bikes-on-trains/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I regularly take my bikes on NJT trains here in New Jersey, and >>>>>>>> similar to what Roberta mentioned, as in most commuter lines there are >>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>> spaces at the ends of each car, or sets you can flip out of the way, to >>>>>>>> store your bike; perhaps the South Shore Line has a similar set-up? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bob E >>>>>>>> Cranford, NJ >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:56:47 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm ok with it! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:52:46 AM UTC-8 George Schick >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Joe, is it OK if we start calling you Ralph Kramden ; ) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:39:15 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, bus racks - my area of expertise - are a whole 'nother >>>>>>>>>>> kettle of monkeys or whatever the idiom is. I've transported some >>>>>>>>>>> longish >>>>>>>>>>> 29er mountain bikes which barely fit the rack, and one of these >>>>>>>>>>> days I'm >>>>>>>>>>> going to collect a roadside garbage can with one! My Rivendell and >>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>> over-52cm Clem or Platy would not fit our buses. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 10:28:30 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> forgot the "OMG" pics. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:25:30 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I took my 55 Platy to get Amtrak's opinion and they said no to >>>>>>>>>>>>> carry on (roll on) service. All he did was look at the bike. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> know of >>>>>>>>>>>>> one 50 Platy owner who went by train on a bike tour, but I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>> remember >>>>>>>>>>>>> if she brought her Platy or her other bike on her wedding >>>>>>>>>>>>> anniversary trip >>>>>>>>>>>>> this summer. Leah might know. I wouldn't want to take a chance >>>>>>>>>>>>> that they >>>>>>>>>>>>> might say "no" when I roll my bike to the door. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In my city/suburban train (Septa), I can bring any bike on the >>>>>>>>>>>>> train, but there is no special place to store it, so I sit the >>>>>>>>>>>>> end of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> car and try to keep it out of the way. In S. Jersey's River >>>>>>>>>>>>> line, I can >>>>>>>>>>>>> hang it. I don't know about the rest of NJ Transit (I know one >>>>>>>>>>>>> iBob >>>>>>>>>>>>> member who does alot of NJT with bike, but not sure of storage >>>>>>>>>>>>> situation.) >>>>>>>>>>>>> On the Philadelphia bus system, Platy is too long and I'm afraid >>>>>>>>>>>>> with one >>>>>>>>>>>>> good bump, it would be road kill (yes, I'd tie it down if forced >>>>>>>>>>>>> to take it >>>>>>>>>>>>> on a bus rack). You can see my 2019 Homer sits OK. If I wanted >>>>>>>>>>>>> to take a >>>>>>>>>>>>> bike with me on Amtrak, Platy wouldn't be an option. Perhaps in >>>>>>>>>>>>> other parts >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the country, the bus racks are longer? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, how often would one need to take it on a >>>>>>>>>>>>> train/bus/Amtrak? For me, right now, little on Amtrak, but lots >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> busses. I imagine the adventures I could have taking a bus/train >>>>>>>>>>>>> one way >>>>>>>>>>>>> and the bike the other direction. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Roberta >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 12:44:52 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good question, Brian. I'm a transit bus driver and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically we have limits on what will fit on the bus but in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you've got stuff and you haven't convinced me you can't get that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there..it's on there! My understanding (I've never been on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amtrak) is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bikes store vertically, my guess is if it's shorter than a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tandem it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to work. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe "I should plan a short Amtrak trip and see if they bounce >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my custom" Bernard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 9:13:38 AM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmfo...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone had their bike denied on Amtrak due to wheelbase >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> length? The Amtrak I take occasionally has a 2" tire width >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limit in their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine print, but I have never had an issue even though all my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tires are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger than that. I asked a conductor once and he basically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said if its a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard bike (non-recumbent, non e-fat is what he mentioned) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he didn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care. Obviously you can't assume every train official will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lax about it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I'm curious if anyone has had issues. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:25:15 AM UTC-6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allan....@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It depends what type of bike-related service is available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the Amtrak line you will be taking. The dimensions Joe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cites are for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checked, in a box. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I occasionally bring a bike on the train from where I live >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in southern Vermont to New York City via the Albany Amtrak >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> station. On this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line there is only carryon service and there are only 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special bike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lockers available. The bike hangs from the rear wheel and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> front wheel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must be removed beforehand. It’s a bodged-up arrangement and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to lash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the frame with my own straps to keep everything from swinging >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and damaging >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the frame’s finish. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve taken both an Yves Gomez and a Trek crit bike. Both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have 650b wheels. I’ve never actually measured the vertical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space afforded >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by the locker but without a front wheel it seemed that there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another 8-10” available; I’ll bring a tape next time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allan, in snowy Marlboro, Vt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 2:54:13 AM UTC-5 Joe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bernard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Size and weight limit restrictions: 50 lbs. and 70" x 41" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x 8.5". Your bike will be approximately 4-5 inches too long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for Amtrak. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:53:28 PM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kiziria...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ordered a 55 Platy in the last presale, was thinking of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking amtrak to pick it up in person and bring it with me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back, Oakland to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LA. Can someone confirm whether or not the bike will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accepted on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> train without boxing it up? Please and thank you. Good luck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Platycisions Leah! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 7:13:48 AM UTC-8 Edwin W >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am with George. Once you have more than a certain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of bikes (a number you are certain to have opinions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about), one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them should be a folder! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great for train travel. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great for guests (they fit all kinds of people). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great for conversation starter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can be stored in a closet, attic, under the stairs, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Edwin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:16:07 AM UTC-6 George >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder. PBH would not be an issue because they have very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long seat posts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some models are equipped with more upright bars such as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're used to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using. They come with a variety of different types of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gearing and ranges. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, of course, they are step-though by definition. That >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel bike and you'd be able to get around any issues >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that some trains >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have with carry-on bikes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a question that is probably only going to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> academic. But maybe not. I’ve done crazier things. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Platypus (PBH range starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I adore my bikes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can’t have them, I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BUT, they are long. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too long for buses and for Amtrak. I desperately want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take Amtrak to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chicago with my bike for the first time, but my bike is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long. RivSister >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kate says she can get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undoes her V >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brakes and lets some air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I don’t know if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could ride that little bike. I don’t have one locally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to try. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard to find. Anyway, thanks for participating in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought experiment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That might be a real experiment. Probably not. There’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely a limit to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how many Platys a girl can have. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/uD6j8bDL8ps/unsubscribe > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/af12bda9-81f1-418e-af4d-1851f606a602n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/af12bda9-81f1-418e-af4d-1851f606a602n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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